Besides, the BW/BM universe is identified as an "alpha" type universal stream, meaning the cartoons are the centerpiece of the continuity. I take that as an official license to disregard everything but the cartoon.

 

This.
I consider it a VERY fitting conclusion to its continuity, but this was mostly a BeastWars & adopted G1 continuity, not purely a G1 continuity.

With the exception of very few (like Nightscream), Everyone on Cybertron got virussed or sparked by Megatron. Then technorganic'd at the end by Primal & Megatron's fate.

This would include the Tripedicus council.
Their parting words woulda prolly bin:
"Megatron is a rogue; and we have been defeated by such rogue.
Touché, our undisciplined rival. Touché."

 

Interesting opinions guys, surprisingly some of them line-up with my own.

Beast Machines I feel really is more a finale for the 'Beast Era' if you will, just with a lot of nods to the original G1 content such as the 'Passing the torch of leadership' between two characters, just done much better I feel (but not perfect).

It really does feel like the first proper attempt at a darker, hard-edged TF series that went a little too... well... dark and hard-edged.

I really do commend it for that however, and feel it was really the last real attempt at doing something new to develop the core concepts of G1 before IDW stepped in, as Dreamwave, Unicron Trilogy and even Animated relied heavily on nostalgia, of course IDW did this to an extent as well.

However, this topic has brought something to my attention that I actually find quite surprising, and will make a topic about in a bit.

Either way, can we at least toast to Beast Machines trying   ?

 

Haha, advertising your work there Verno?

I'm definitely gonna check it out, finally some good TF fanfiction. I'm slowly reading Eugenesis atm, and just... wow. So this will be my next read, sounds interesting  

 

It is kinda similar. I don't think it quite works as well for the G1 cartoon though, since there was never really the sense of a "guiding intelligence" throughout most of the series like there was in Beast Machines. So while in Beast Machines it's a climax, in G1 it's almost a non-sequitur. It doesn't help that the whole thing felt rushed and thrown together. Even as a non-sequitur, it had a lot of potential to be pretty good--kinda like TFTM.

But if you disregard everything but the cartoon, then there's no basis for the continuity stream system in the first place...

 

I meant disregard everything else in that universe. I was wondering if I should clarify that. As an example, for the Marvel G1 universe, being a "gamma" type, I would exclude everything but the comics.

 

No - but I'm still pretty bent out of shape by how much I hated it after falling for Beast Wars hard enough to come back into collecting as an adult.

I'm not fussed about when someone/anyone wants to tell me it all "ended" when we are constantly getting new media and Toys that carry the Brand onward.

 

OK, I follow now.

 

I'm going to buck the system here and say...

YES, It WAS a fitting end for G1. First we know that Optimus Prime won the Great War and established a long era of peace. Second, it finishes off the story with Transformers evolving from complex machines into transorganic beings. After millions of years of war, Cybertron is finally healed. Thematically, it paints the Earth/Cybertron relationship in a sort of symbiotic role. It's the life on Earth carried back in the Maximals beast modes that allows the birth of true technorganic life on Cybertron. Earth's influence does eventually save Cyberton. And you have to wonder, how far back did Victor Sigma plan for that? Before the Ark even launched? It just creates a running thread through all 3 series and puts a nice bow on the whole thing.

 

You asked for an alternate ending -- I've got one  

I appreciate you taking the time to read it. I look forward to hearing your thoughts  

 

Bingo

 

No, it is not.

 

The applicable Furmanism here is:
It never ends.

 

Nope. Horrible series to end the G1 cartoon continuity family on.

There is a tiny loophole though.

Japan's Robotmasters indicates that the paradox Beast Megatron creates at the end of Season 2 of Beast Wars rips a hole in time and space, allowing for the Robotmasters continuity to be born. While the Maximals were able to correct the paradox in Beast Wars, that could have been just ONE possible scenario. It would be interesting to see Primal unsuccessful in saving Prime, resulting in a G1 reboot where Optimus is dead and the Autobots must choose a new leader in 1984.

 

"Tracks... since nobody could even find you here on the Ark for a whole year, we think the Matrix would be safe with you in case of another mass stasis lock. Arise, Traximus Prime."  

 

LOL! I imagine it probably would have been passed to Prowl or Ironhide.

 

Someone in another website did an review for BM
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/rojixus-re-watches-beast-machines-completed.392752/

 

I consider Beast Machines an alternate continuity. I don't consider it a good ending to Beast Wars or G1. The characters were just changed to much.

 

I don't know about "fitting" a conclusion but I agree, that for what it was, it served as a better conclusion to just Beast Wars than to G1 overall. I think what would have made it better an overall conclusion would be to push alot of the environmental messages to the back (but not completely ignore) and tell a story not only about the Maximals but maybe tie it more into G1 by delving a bit into the back story of the Maximal upgrade process and maybe introduce some Autobot survivors of Megatron's hijacking of sparks who chose not to embrace an organic mode. Then somehow have that lead up to the full restoration of Cybertron and a balance and reconciliation between organic (the Maximals) and robotic (the Autobots).

But then if you want to throw out the "Conclusion" part, that would be a good set up to the supposed TransTech story we might have gotten after BM.  

 

Pretty Much.

I'm sure you could further the story from Beast Machines, a part of me is sad Transtech wasn't fully realized but I have no idea what it was going to do to begin with.