Star Wars Fans did it, can we do it ?

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  1. jamarmiller

    jamarmiller S.K.A.R. LEADER

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    So just some musings ............ Star Wars fans did it, can we ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

    Id love to see an original 2D style g1 story done in the vein of the G1 cartoon

    I think probaly the biggest hurdle is that the fandom is so divided amoung all the cotinuities .

    G1 80s or idw ?
    Unicron Trilogy ?
    Prime ?

    Hell, Id even contribute to a kickstarter to get this done
     
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    I'm going to say, probably not. That's the labour of love of a single animator and, well, we don't have him!

    We do have some rather nice stop-motion animations using figures though...
     
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    wasn't that what victory did?
     
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    Simple answer: there's a lot more of them than there are of us.
     
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    There's also the matter that companies frown upon it if people make a profit off their stuff.

    Someone wants to spend their own time and effort on a film, most companies will be downright happy, but I think a kickstarter may get shut down. Well, unless one 'files off the serial numbers' so to speak and does a transformers-esque thing.

    (There's a cool Star Trek/Babylon 5 fanfilm called Star Wreck. When they actually made DVDs, i.e. accepted money, they changed the CGI so the ships would no longer be the official ones)
     
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    Magic Eight Ball says....No.
     
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    Years ago, I would've said that the biggest hurdle was that every single artist in the fandom was trying to ape Pat Lee to get a job at Dreamwave.

    White knights, hear me out.

    At a fundamental level, an animation is a series of drawings. For every drawing an illustrator does, an animator does somewhere between eight and twenty (plus, they have to go together too). So now take some random drawing of cracked metal and lens flare and whatever else and multiply the effort out by at least ten. Conversely, step through a cartoon (preferably one with motion beyond talking or panning) and try to find a frame that stands on its own (same principle in reverse). Totally ignoring the audio component too; how many voices/effects/scores can you do and how many do you have to borrow/edit?

    And then there's the monetary side of this. Anybody can sell prints at a comic convention. An animated clip is a much tougher sell. How do you display it? How do you transfer it? Hell, how do you even price it? Kickstarter sounds great...for the handful that make it through that platform. But then you're right back to asking "why does almost nobody do this?" versus "why does nobody do this?"

    I love animated art, I've done a few minutes of footage over the years, and I just don't think it's realistic to expect much on that front.
     
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    Are you thinking of the old method of hand drawing each and every animation cell? I think that might be known by at least some to take many months, most of which I don't think many people would commit to, especially not for free. However, you might be discounting the idea of using flash animation, which can at least allow someone to make up a short 1-minute film in a week or two. Dr. Smoov did nice shorties with his CGI G1 Transformers, and as for voice-work, maybe asking him or someone else famous like on Youtube to do G1 voices?

    The only major hurdle I can see would be actually making sure that the episode(s) is actually good and that Hasbro isn't going to want to issue a C&D order if one decides to make a bunch. I don't know how Hasbro is compared to other companies, but I know with at some others, they get 'funny' once somebody decides to go beyond the rare fan-made shortie film or single episode.

    But that is just my own speculation on things.
     
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    What an amazing video! Lucky SW fans :D 

    While I wouldn't want to see a straight up anime version of TF, I'd accept G1 Sunbow cartoon but just with higher quality.

    And then the storyline would have to match.

    I hate to say it, but I doubt such a thing would be possible. But man, sure would be great.
     
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    An eight minute non-stop action sequence with no dialogue and zero plot?

    Sure, why not?

    Then again, why?

    I mean, it sure is pretty to look at, but it does get boring rather quickly.
     
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    That video took about 2 years to produce. Sometime in early 2013 an early production black and white was leaked onto youtube. I'll give him credit for expanding what was shown, IE the different variants of Tie Fighters/bombers/defenders, as well as the addition of a gravity well Star Destroyer. As far as plot, it appears to be based off an old Rougue Squad story, where Gravity Well SDs pull convoys out of hyperspace to attack, but the Empire wins in this video.
     
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    I said it was pretty to look at.

    But this is the problem with a lot of fan productions: All visual spectacle, no plot to write home about.

    I mean, in all the complaints about the live action Transformers movies, the visual effects are rarely among the criticisms...
     
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    You don't, selling fanmovies is generally frowned upon by companies.


    You put it on youtube or blip and share it freely.
     
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    I want to see a "super faithful" G1 animated series, right down to the "completed in a day" animation, off-model characters, color mistakes, and cheesy 80s cartoon plotlines. How hard could it be to make something look bad? :lol 
     
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    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    oh lord.
     
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    Huh, good question. I mean, a lot of that stuff doesn't actually make it *cheaper*, and there was a certain fun factor to the old plotlines which takes some skill... intimidating bad-in-a-fun-way can be tricky!
     
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    This is incredible. I got a real "Robotech" vibe while watching this - great scene transitions between the ships and the pilot. Very well done!