Your Favorite Thirteen

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  1. SaberPrime

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    Just curious who your favorite Thirteen Transformers would be if each one of them had to meet a very specific criteria.

    1. Favorite Matrix Bearer: This could include any character who has held the Matrix for any length of time even if they couldn't use it or weren't effected by it's power in any way. (This also includes G1 Galvatron who wore it on a chain around his neck for a while.)

    2. Favorite Time-Space manipulator: This could include any character who can manipulate time in any way. Also any character who who can generate a personal Space Bridge. This does not include characters who have traveled threw time or space by any other means besides their own abilities. Meaning the only Beast Wars character who actually qualifies is Heinrad because he's the only one who can actually manipulate time. Skywarp counts because he can teleport so he must be able to generate a personal space bridge. Sentinel Prime does not count because though he may the only one that can open the space bridge it's not generated threw him but threw the pillars he created.

    3. Favorite Medic: This is basically anyone who specializes in scientific and technological advancements. They typically tend to be Medics but some times not. They don't literally have to be medics to qualify here I was just having a hard time summing this up in one word.

    4. Favorite Fembot: I don't think I really need to explain this one... except some characters have had gender changes. Animated Red Alert was a fembot, Airazor and Override were dudes in Japan. Just be sure to specify which version of the character you're talking about. Although... I don't think I really needed to explain that either... I just had to write something here.

    5. Favorite Mini-con: I will expand this a bit to also include characters who have been referred to as Mini-cons even if they didn't actually have Mini-con connector ports. This means Soundwave and Blaster's Cassettes are all fair game. G1 Minibots however are not.

    6. Favorite Alchemist: Frankly I didn't know what else to do with this category so basically you can only choose characters who share voice actors with Full Metal Alchemist. The good news is that you can use any voice actor from the original Anime or Brotherhood, American Dub or the original Japanese version. I don't know what actors are shared between the Japanese versions but I have already gone threw and searched the American versions. If you don't watch Full Metal Alchemist at all or are just too lazy to find out which actors are shared between the two just choose from this list. Zeta Prime (Troy Baker), Backstop (Scott McNeil), Bumblebee (Johnny Yong Bosch), Hot Shot (Travis Willingham), Jazz (Troy Baker), Jetfire (Scott McNeil and Troy Baker), Omega Supreme (Scott McNeil), Rattrap (Scott McNeil), Scattershot (Troy Baker), Sideswipe (Travis Willingham), Silverbolt (Patrick Seitz and Scott McNeil), Slug (Travis Willingham), Snarl (Scott McNeil), Stratosphere (Travis Willingham), Strongarm (Scott McNeil), Cicadacon (Scott McNeil), Dinobot (Scott McNeil), Kickback (Troy Baker), Onslaught (Travis Willingham), Waspinator (Scott McNeil)

    7. Favorite Gestalt: This doesn't have to only include combiner teams. Any combiner from any series weather it be two characters or seven who combine is welcome. Combinations like Power Core combiners where there is only really one robot combining with drones however don't count. Optimus Prime + Trailer not a combiner. Optimus Prime + any other Character however is a combiner.

    8. Favorite Beastformer: This is not limited to just the Beast Era. It could be any Transformer from G1 to now as long as they have a beast mode. And just so they're not left out, this will also include Botanica, Sari Sumdac, and Alice. No pretenders though because they don't actually transform, they're just a shell around their normal robot to vehicle transformation.

    9. Favorite Triple Changer: This doesn't literally have to include characters with three modes. This could actually include anyone with more than two modes. Except if one of those modes is specifically to combine with other robots then it doesn't count. So no counting limbs as a third transformation. Also no "attack modes" where the transformation is literally just "add weapons." If there's something to it where you could actually call it a third transformation rather than like a wasp with a gun on it's back (Dirgegun's Attack mode is flip the gun forward... woo hoo.) then you can count it but if you only changed one thing that might as well be a function of that mode rather than trying to call it an entirely new mode.

    10: Favorite Quintesson Guard: This is any character who is directly affiliated with the Quintessons. Considering they created the Transformers that could be practically everyone but I said DIRECTLY affiliated as in the cartoons, comics, or movies have to actually show them working for the Quintessons at some point. Just being built by them is an indirect affiliation. And we're going to assume that the creators Lockdown was talking about in the new movie are actually the Quintessons. So Lockdown and anyone on his ship counts because he specifically states that he works for the creators but none of the other Transformers do. And no human built transformers because they weren't working for the Creators. Any of the Energon Terrorcons count because they're directly affiliated with Alpha Q. The Sharkticons and Alligatorcons of G1 count because they still serve the quints. You get the idea. Basically if you see the Quintesson insignia on their wiki page they're probably affiliated with the Quintessons in some way or another at some time. Also Animated Blitzwing... not that there's anything to confirm it but he does share that multiface gimmick with them, he might as well be a Quintesson.

    11. Favorite Back-Stabber: I'm fairly sure I'm going to get a lot of Starscreams on this one but this could include any character who has ever tried to over throw their respective leader. Shattered Glass Rodimus, practically every Predacon in Beast Wars except for Scorponok and Inferno, RID Scourge, ect.

    12. Favorite Herold of Unicron: This could include anyone who has been created or upgraded by Unicron. Basically just look for the Blendtron insignia on their wiki page, it looks like Unicron. If they have it, they're probably Herolds or spawns. Spawns count too which means Tarantulas and the members of the Tripredacus council who are suspected to have originated from Unicron.

    13. Favorite Prime: Now typically Prime characters translate to Convoy in Japan and vice versa but there are exceptions. There were a few Convoys in Japan who were not Primes in the U.S. but this could include any character who has ever held the name Prime or Convoy. That being said though, please use the name that actually qualifies meaning you can say Nitro Convoy but you can't say Override. Also, the U.S. tends to have other variations of the name such as Primal, those still count as long as Prime is still in the name. "Prime-al" Prime is still there, they just dropped the e and put in al.

    My answers

    1. Rodimus Prime *Ducks* sorry but I actually like him. Not his toy, that thing is a stick. But I kinda like the flames.

    2. Skywarp I've kind of always thought he was the coolest seeker. Black color scheme, having the coolest power.

    3. Rhinox I'm a Beast Wars fan and even though the CR chambers do most of the work, someone has to maintain them and I just love irony behind one of the most passive Maximals also being one of the most powerful.

    4. Prime Arcee, she just in general seems like the most interesting fembot as a character. Her design is also one of the best on the show in my opinion. And it's really hard to make a motorcycle look good in both modes so that's really saying something.

    5. Rollout, it's kinda hard to choose a favorite Mini-con when most of them don't even really talk. (except in the comics but I don't read those.) So instead of choosing by which character I like most this is purely based on design and nothing else. For being a Mini-con he's one of the biggest I own. I think he has the most detail painted on him. Which is amazing for a figure that small when I'm use to having no paint. Plus he's Overload's head and can be hand held weapon for Optimus Prime. So he has more play value than other Mini-cons who are basically just attach to random little port on larger toy.

    6. Dinobot, I knew it was going to be a Scott McNeil character it was just a question of which one. I narrowed it down to Beast Wars again, my favorite series. Quickly eliminated Cicadacon for being a one time appearance, Waspinator because he annoys me, and then had a tough time deciding between the remaining three. I ultimately eliminated both Silverbolt and Rattrap because their Beast Machines designs suck. Dinobot looks awesome no matter which version it is. Plus he quotes Shakespeare and I'm a theater geek.

    7. Bruticus, three reasons. It's one of the only combiner teams where every member is an entirely different vehicle. It was reused for RID Ruination. And the FoC version is the first decent combiner team we've gotten in years.

    8. Ravage, specifically the Beast Wars version... Being that he was one of the few original Transformers in the series and it was a HUGE improvement over the original Ravage. He couldn't talk, he didn't have a robotic form, and his upgrade gave him both. Not to mention he's all black and is a total bad ass.

    9. RID Galvatron, ten modes... freaking ten! I've had the most fun with that mold. I would probably mention Six Shot in here except I've never played with that toy. I have seen it and I think it's a much better design. Like I'm not a huge fan of the ears on Galvatron but it's still a fun toy. I also mention Galvatron and not Megatron because I prefer the color scheme.

    10. Blitzwing, OK so I may of cheated a bit just so I could put Blitzwing here but come on, he looks like a Quintesson! My second choice would be Gnaw, the Sharkticon... I like sharks... even weird walking sharks who really don't even look like sharks.

    11. RID Scourge, he was an evil Optimus Prime, he could command Fortress Maximus, he tried to overthrow Megatron/Galvatron... and I think he was actually the smartest about hiding his intentions and got the closest to actually doing it.

    12. Tarantulas, though never confirmed I truly believe that he was truly a Spawn of Unicron. He was a scientific genius, a mad man, and a double agent.

    13. Omega Prime, The combination of Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus from RID. Ever since almost every series has tried to recreate that but they always end up looking lazy and none of the other Optimus combiners have bothered giving the combined form a cool name... although Armada did call him Jet Convoy once which was never spoken again and was only suppose to be his name in Japan. Omega Prime is just a really cool name for any combiner that uses Optimus and it's also the best designed.
     
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    BWNeo Big Convoy.

    Galaxy Force Vector Prime.

    G1 Comic Ratchet.

    This is really hard, but I think I'll go with G1 Elita-One

    Given that criteria, G1 Buzzsaw.


    Menasor.

    BW Dinobot.

    Also a very hard one. Springer just edges out Blitzwing.

    AoE Lockdown.

    BW Tarantulas.

    Marvel Comic Galvatron II

    BWNeo Big Convoy.
     
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    I actually had to look him up because I'm not that familiar with Octopunch. I said no pretenders because they don't actually transform into beast modes but Octopunch is an exception. While his pretender shell does not count as a beast mode, the fact that the actual robot transforms into a crab does.
     
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    Favorite Matrix Bearer: Optimus Prime
    Favorite Time-Space manipulator: GF Vector Prime
    Favorite Medic: First-Aid
    Favorite Fembot: BW Blackarachnia
    Favorite Mini-con: Ravage
    Favorite Gestalt: Predaking
    Favorite Beastformer: Snap-Trap
    Favorite Triple Changer: Blitzwing
    Favorite Quintesson Guard: Gnaw
    Favorite Back-Stabber: SG Cyclonus
    Favorite Herold of Unicron: RID Sideways
    Favorite Prime: Animated Optimus Prime
     
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    1. Favorite Matrix Bearer: Rodimus Prime


    2. Favorite Time-Space manipulator: None


    3. Favorite Medic: Animated Ratchet



    4. Favorite Fembot: BM Black Arachnia



    5. Favorite Mini-con: Chromedome's head from Japanese G1 continuity, if that counts.



    6. Favorite Alchemist: This is a weird category that means nothing to me.



    7. Favorite Gestalt: Darkwing/Dreadwind



    8. Favorite Beastformer: BM Black Arachnia



    9. Favorite Triple Changer: Octane!



    10: Favorite Quintesson Guard: None.


    11. Favorite Back-Stabber: Starscream, I guess


    12. Favorite Herold of Unicron: Galvatron, inasmuch as he was a herald, I guess.

    edit: or Armada Sideways!



    13. Favorite Prime: Rodimus Prime

    I think you mean Armada Sideways.

    And that's a good call. I'm amending my answer.
     
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    Wait what? Back Stabbers are typically villains and SG Cyclonus is a good guy? I'm confused. How is Cyclonus a back stabber?
     
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    In the FP comics I believe Cyclonus was fooled into taking out SG Megatron by Alpha Trion...
     
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    Well its said its the same guy...if retconned I guess its like he was in deep cover during RID...but I do like both.
     
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    That would be Stylor and... I guess if Nightstick can be referred to as a Mini-con then so can the headmasters.

    Well Sideways is a bit confusing. He was seen talking to Unicron in a few episodes and then saving the kids from Unicron once which suggests he's a separate character. However when the big reveal came that he was indeed working for Unicron he said he was Unicron which is one of the many reasons I hate Armada. But yes Sideways does actually count as a herold, I'm just going to ignore that whole "I am Unicron" bit and treat him as a separate character. Nemesis Prime also counts by the way since he's basically just Sideways in an upgraded form or controlled by Sideways.
     
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    1. Favorite Matrix Bearer: Rodimus Prime. No competition: most interesting character, coolest truckmode and an interesting robotmode (favourite look is in the recent RG1 comic series: big spoiler, wheels on the front and a powerfull looking body).

    2. Favorite Time-Space manipulator: Only one I can think of is G1 Skids...Well, the Japanese fiction to explain that special two pack of him and Screech and the BT story mentioned this ability.

    3. Favorite Medic: G1 Marvel Ratchet

    4. Favorite Fembot: BW Blackarachnia

    5. Favorite Mini-con: since cassettes count, G1 Buzzsaw or perhaps Ravage (esp the marvel version

    6. Favorite Alchemist: no idea what this is about, but from the list Jetfire

    7. Favorite Gestalt: Devastator. The first and one of the few who made sense to me.

    8. Favorite Beastformer: Optimus Primal, but Dinobot is a very close contender.

    9. Favorite Triple Changer: Blitzwing (although I have a soft spot for Broadside because of the ridiculousness of his two altmodes and how his character fits with these two altmodes)

    10: Favorite Quintesson Guard: I thoroughly dislike the Quints and everything that has to do with them.

    11. Favorite Back-Stabber: cartoon Starscream is the most entertaining, but I found Soundwave to be the most interesting in how he blackmails and manipulatates the other Decepticons for his own advantage, greatly depends on Megatron (or whomever leads) for protection, but is not above undermining that same leader for his own advantage and dream of one day leading.

    12. Favorite Herold of Unicron: Marvel Galvatron II

    13. Favorite Prime: Rodimus Prime, with Optimus Primal as close contender.
     
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    Just curious what incarnation of Soundwave are you talking about? Because I've always known him to be fiercely loyal to Megatron. He was the one who picked up Megatron in the '86 movie after pretty much everyone else left him for dead. He secretly went behind Starscream's back to rebuild Megatron in FoC. I think the only two versions who weren't particularly loyal to Megatron would be Cybertron and Animated but I wouldn't really call them back stabbers either. Did you mean Shockwave? Cause I know he's been portrayed as loyal to Megatron in some continuities and a back stabber in others but I just don't know what Soundwave you're talking about.
     
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    G1 Soundwave.

    His blackmailing other Decepticons is mentioned in his original bio and was used in the UK marvel comics. In the same UK Marvel comics he's portrayed as eager for command and manipulating both Megatron and Shockwave (commanders of their own faction) hoping to take advantage of their battle, later co-leading with Starscream (and manipulating Starscream, Megatron and Shockwave to gain sole command) and in the future timelines again eagerly taking over command when Shockwave had been killed.

    In his unofficial continuation of the (UK) marvel comics, his Eugenesis novel, James Roberts again makes Soundwave eager for command.

    (He was a pretty succesful leader as well.)


    In a way it's also in the movie. Because he needed Megatron to protect him from the wrath of other Decepticons, he carried his body from the battlefield. But as soon as Starscream had thrown Megatron out and proclaimed himself leader, Soundwave was also immediately claiming leadership.

    If you think of his original bio of blackmailing the other Decepticons and depending on Megatron for safety, then his cartoon acts of loyalty to Megatron become more sinister and selfserving.
     
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    Except how is Megatron suppose to protect Soundwave when he's practically a corpse. There's really no other reason for Soundwave to pick him up except blind loyalty. Plus everyone was declaring themselves the new leader but that doesn't mean they were all back stabbers. G1 comics I'll just take your word for it cause I never read them, but G1 Cartoon Soundwave was one of Megatron's most loyal soldiers.
     
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    1. Favorite Matrix Bearer: Rodimus Prime

    2. Favorite Time-Space manipulator: Vector Prime

    3. Favorite Medic: Prime Ratchet

    4. Favorite Fembot: Cybertron Thunderblast

    5. Favorite Mini-con: G1 Ravage (because Beast Wars)

    6. Favorite Alchemist: Edward Elric. :p  Ok seriously probably Swerve. He technically is a metallurgist if that counts?

    7. Favorite Gestalt: Menasor.

    8. Favorite Beastformer: BW Megatron.

    9. Favorite Triple Changer: TFA Blitzwing

    10: Favorite Quintesson Guard: Sky-Byte (he was one in the Wings of Honor continuity)

    11. Favorite Back-Stabber: Prime Starscream

    12. Favorite Herold of Unicron: Armada Sideways

    13. Favorite Prime: TFA Optimus Prime
     
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    1. Rodimus Prime
    2. Sideways
    3. Ratchet
    4. Blackarachnia
    5. Rewind
    6. Get better taste in Anime
    7. Prowlstator
    8. Optimus Primal
    9. Sixshot
    10. Lockdown
    11. Starscream
    12. Galvatron
    13. NOPE NOT OPTIMUS PRIME, OPTIMUS IS NOT THE THIRTEENTH NO
     
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    What I actually said was that they had to share a voice actor with a cast member from Full Metal Alchemist. Mostly because I couldn't think of anyone that could actually qualify as an Alchemist... except maybe Beast Machines Optimus Primal or Energon Megatron... They can upgrade their own troops if that counts as Alchemy.

    Anyway... I looked it up... Swerve apparently doesn't talk in the U.S. (Or his voice actor was never credited. I thought he did have a speaking part?) but he was voiced by Minoru Inaba in Japan who is not part of the voice cast for either of the Full Metal Alchemist anime series. So technically no he doesn't count... though I'm going to be a little more lenient with that one since it was a weird category to begin with.
     
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    Ultra Magnus. From the 1986 movie of course. I like him for reasons unknown to myself, so I'm going to talk crap. I liked the way he struggled with it. It's the way he was written, he acted as if he wanted to prove himself with it and to Optimus Prime, but alas.... Galvatron wasn't the darkest hour and he wasn't worthy. :rolleyes2 

    ROTF Jetfire.

    Ratchet, all and every incarnation. But specifically Animated.

    G1 Elita-1.

    Frenzy, great character in G1. Quite humorous in WFC/FOC and definitely is one of my favourite Movie 2007 characters.

    Wait what....errrr...... Scott McNeil?

    G1 Devastator

    BW Inferno

    Octane or Blitzwing

    AOE Lockdown's buddies. Haven't a clue who they are, they're as useless as the G1 guards.

    Starscream....

    Galvatron

    Optimus Prime.
     
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    Not in Japanese G1 continuity. Chromedome is his own head. Stylor is an alien, not a robot at all, or I might have picked him.
     
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    1. G1 Starscream because he's one of the few cons who can weild the matrix.

    2 Heinrad

    3 Prime Knockout with Prime Ratchet being a close second

    4 Beast Era Blackarachnia

    5 Windshear from the minicon assault team

    6 Waspinator

    7 Predaking

    8 So many too chose from that I like too list.

    9 Like the beast one, there's too many that I like to list

    10 don't really care for quintessons

    11 Every version of Starscream, Most of the beast era Predacons and Rhinox

    12 Tarantulas

    13 Onyx Prime