Out Of The Dead Land

battlefudge · 06-06-2009, 08:54 AM

Wow. I didn't see this coming at all. Brilliant composition! I love and hate Mirage, so this is a very conflicted time. Great work.

Z.U.D.O.N · 06-06-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Coolhand

Creating photo comics is an AWESOME way to invent new and obscene swear words. Mind you, I’m sure that’s a pain that every comic creator here knows only too well.

Heheheh.. Yup.. I understand the trouble you have to face to get the bars right. I would've done the same - be lazy and ignore the correct alignment of the bars.

Anyhow, I'm now facing something similar, but I can't compare so easily because it's a totally different sort of FX.

Good luck though on your future updates with the bars!

Tyeleo · 06-06-2009, 07:07 PM

Have you ever considered creating a frame out of wire or plastic to use as a point of reference for the bars?

Shane Anderson · 06-07-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyryder

The Marvel writers never seemed to know how to handle Sunny's characterization. The tech spec described him as "a very calm, competent, and ruthless war machine." The extened bio that Marvel did actually uses the word "sociopathic."

I can see I need to go back and catch up on early Marvel comics then. I started reading somewhere when Ratbat was in charge, and never really went back and read earlier issues.

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Originally Posted by Coolhand

It seems that Sunstreaker is a character who changes quite a bit depending on who’s writing him in the official cannon. I think he got toned down a lot in the early cartoon and marvel comic run. (For understandable reasons, sociopathic heroes in kids animation/might have been a little too much to take in the 80’s)

I’m taking my version from the G1 Toy bio, which describes him as a ruthless, cold-blooded, arrogant, sociopathic war machine. He’s a bit more unpredictable and a bit more useful for drama in that mode, I think. It’s nice to have guys like Sunny and Mirage around, as a foil for the more civil and well adjusted bots like Jazz, Prime and Hound.

True, and he's certainly interesting with that personality. I just hate seeing Autobots who are utter jerks, though there's value there for creating drama.

To pick an example from another show, it's kind of like Apollo on Battlestar Galactica, who's a pretty decent guy and doing generally heroic things over the course of the series even though he's fallible, and then suddenly one episode he's sleeping with a prostitute and pretending her daughter is almost his, and it just about killed the character for me. It just goes to show a character can only be stretched so far.

Not that I think you've stretched Sunstreaker too far or strayed from his character as depicted in tech specs and comics. Your portrayal is true to his description, albeit with your own interpretation of how he would act. I'm not faulting your writing at all, just commenting in general that I prefer Autobots to generally be a bit on the noble side and to generally have higher ideals and morals than Decepticons.

Sage o' G-fruit · 06-07-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane Anderson

it's kind of like Apollo on Battlestar Galactica, who's a pretty decent guy and doing generally heroic things over the course of the series even though he's fallible, and then suddenly one episode he's sleeping with a prostitute and pretending her daughter is almost his, and it just about killed the character for me. It just goes to show a character can only be stretched so far.

Spoiler tags man, spoiler tags! D:

Optimus Sledge · 06-07-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane Anderson

Not that I think you've stretched Sunstreaker too far or strayed from his character as depicted in tech specs and comics. Your portrayal is true to his description, albeit with your own interpretation of how he would act. I'm not faulting your writing at all, just commenting in general that I prefer Autobots to generally be a bit on the noble side and to generally have higher ideals and morals than Decepticons.

I wonder if it's that Sunstreaker is enjoying an opportunity to let the sociopathic part of his nature loose without feeling he's violating his Autobot sensibilities. I'm sure Prime or Prowl wouldn't see it that way, but Sunstreaker must have some of the same views as them to have joined the Autobots.

Shane Anderson · 06-07-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sage o' G-fruit

Spoiler tags man, spoiler tags! D:

I put spoiler tags on, but you need to spoiler tag your quote of me!

Anodythe · 06-07-2009, 09:01 PM

[quote=Coolhand;3696513]You are evil and I like you.

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T'is an honor sir!

Coolhand · 06-08-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sage o' G-fruit

They're great. You should buy one. I got mine for $50.

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Originally Posted by Falldown

Have you seen the "Build Your Own" kit? Comes with parts to make Luke's RotJ, one of Vader's (but I don't remember which), and some more I can't recall... or mix'n'match up your own hilt design. I've only seen the kit once, and it was way too expensive for me to buy, but it looked awesome. I also thought that Hasbro has the rights now to make Force FX lightsabers. Just don't think they've done anything with them yet.

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Originally Posted by StarFire_MK2

I built my own hilt years ago, out of some chrome plumbing pipe, and then CNC'ed a bunch of parts and added them on. The I added a neon tube with electronics to it, years before you could buy these incredible reproductions with the virtually unbreakable blades. I'm not sure what happened to it; it's probably at my parent's house still.

The saber used in my comic was from Parks Sabers, Coolhand, years before they made electronics for them. I bought it in 1996, I believe. I'm too poor to buy the new ones, and besides, my plastic crack addiction costs enough

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Originally Posted by Sage o' G-fruit

The kit is the one I have. It's super awesome, and I got it for cheap.

I make no apologies.

No apology required, Force FX lightsabre discussions are always welcome here!

I've actually got the build your own kit as well, and if you like that one, Sage O G, you'll LOVE the regular sabers. The kit has plastic hilts, whereas the regular ones are metal, far much more solid, have longer blades and a MUCH cooler lighting effect when they power up and down.

Starfire, you built your OWN? You sir, are a true Jedi!

The Force FX ones are indeed rather expensive. It might not be worth shelling out for the entire line, but I do recommend putting aside the cash to get perhaps just one. Anakin and Obi-Wan's ROTS sabers are VERY nice indeed.

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Originally Posted by TENIME_art

Not only do I totally feel my line that you asked to borrow coming up, but you gave Sunstreaker my filthy mouth, too!!

Frag yeah!

I write Sunstreaker to be a bit more foul mouthed than a lot of Autobots, it seems to fit him somehow. And your line is indeed on the way

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Originally Posted by Autobot Spike

ah! i see what you did there. it seems like something i can replicate with photoshop, so i'll give it a try. thanks for the..."Heads" up on that effect.

-A.S.

No problemo.

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Originally Posted by djmagic

Can't wait to see what streak has planned for mirage.

Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

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Originally Posted by battlefudge

Wow. I didn't see this coming at all. Brilliant composition! I love and hate Mirage, so this is a very conflicted time. Great work.

Rest assured, Mirage loves and hates you too…

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Originally Posted by Z.U.D.O.N

Heheheh.. Yup.. I understand the trouble you have to face to get the bars right. I would've done the same - be lazy and ignore the correct alignment of the bars.

Anyhow, I'm now facing something similar, but I can't compare so easily because it's a totally different sort of FX.

Good luck though on your future updates with the bars!

Thanks dude. And good luck with your FX dilemma-looking forward to seeing the results.

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Originally Posted by Tyeleo

Have you ever considered creating a frame out of wire or plastic to use as a point of reference for the bars?

That's a VERY good idea, and will probably happen the next time I shoot photographs with this kind of FX in mind.

(Ooh first post! Welcome to TFW2005.

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Originally Posted by Shane Anderson

Not that I think you've stretched Sunstreaker too far or strayed from his character as depicted in tech specs and comics. Your portrayal is true to his description, albeit with your own interpretation of how he would act. I'm not faulting your writing at all, just commenting in general that I prefer Autobots to generally be a bit on the noble side and to generally have higher ideals and morals than Decepticons.

I think someone like G1 Toy Bio Sunstreaker is a good example of someone who ends up on the side of those fighting for freedom but who is not always a very good example of the principles he fights for. One can imagine the Autobots, outnumbered and outgunned, being very grateful on the one hand to have this cold-blooded killing machine tearing into the Decepticons and winning battles, and being very unsettled on the other hand by Sunstreaker's excesses and the uglier side of his personality.

So do you keep Sunstreaker on the payroll and take the risks associated with having a guy like that around, or get rid of him and take the risk that you've just made the war a little bit harder to win? It appears that Prime chose the former, and either managed to keep Sunny more or less in line or maybe never found out about some of the worst excesses. (Personally, I think it was probably a mixture of the two.)

But you can only keep someone like Sunny around for so long before something like this happens...

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Originally Posted by Shane Anderson

To pick an example from another show, it's kind of like Apollo on Battlestar Galactica, who's a pretty decent guy and doing generally heroic things over the course of the series even though he's fallible, and then suddenly one episode he's sleeping with a prostitute and pretending her daughter is almost his, and it just about killed the character for me. It just goes to show a character can only be stretched so far.

Re the spoiler, I totally agree with you, that episode was not very good at all and was something of a low point for the character. I can see what the writers were trying to do, but they missed the mark by quite a bit and the end result feels out of whack with the established character traits for that dude.

I don't know how far you've got with the show, but that character does recover as things progress, and has a moment in the last episode of season 3 that utterly redeems them IMHO. It's a crowning moment of awesome.

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Originally Posted by Optimus Sledge

I wonder if it's that Sunstreaker is enjoying an opportunity to let the sociopathic part of his nature loose without feeling he's violating his Autobot sensibilities. I'm sure Prime or Prowl wouldn't see it that way, but Sunstreaker must have some of the same views as them to have joined the Autobots.

Sunny certainly feels that what he’s about to do is perfectly legitimate, even if Prime is “too fraggin’ up himself to admit it”, but it's indeed an interesting question: why did such a Decepticon-like bot join up with the good guys?

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Originally Posted by Coolhand

You are evil and I like you.

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T'is an honor sir!

The honour, madam, is all mine.

Shane Anderson · 06-08-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolhand

Re the spoiler, I totally agree with you, that episode was not very good at all and was something of a low point for the character. I can see what the writers were trying to do, but they missed the mark by quite a bit and the end result feels out of whack with the established character traits for that dude.

Good to hear. Thanks for the vagueness too. I've just finished the second season, so anything past that point would be spoiler territory.