Takara MP-12 Lambor

Discussion in 'Transformers Feedback & Reviews' started by Star Saber, Oct 25, 2012.

  1. David Hingtgen

    David Hingtgen Chromaticon

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    Sideswipe's rims are quite rare, they are not the standard Countach rims. (Since Sideswipe himself is based on a one-of-a-kind Countach, not a standard model).

    Though they are available in some scales, as it's a VERY famous/popular Countach in Japan, and there are several models of it.
     
  2. megatroptimus

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    I wonder why thousands and thousands of model cars of various scales can get away with rubber tires fine but not Transformers...
     
  3. Knightdramon

    Knightdramon Hasbro LIES to the US

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    Mate, let it go. We get it, you don't like the figure, you like rubber tires on your high end transforming figures.

    And you still, rubber tires aside, haven't mentioned some of the "tons of deluxes" that are more complex than Sideswipe.
     
  4. SPLIT LIP

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    Model cars don't transform.
     
  5. megatroptimus

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    See, that's why I feel it's often useless to post opinions on this site, some people just can't read.

    I didn't say I didn't like the figure, just that it's nothing special and that I would have preferred rubber tires. Mine should get here later this week.

    More complex figures: ROTF Skids, ROTF Mudflap, ROTF Blazemaster, HFTD Ironhide, ROTF Ice Cream truck, etc.

    And? Tires are not part of the transformation. They just... roll.
     
  6. Sentinel

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    Everyone realizes that this is a discussion thread right? We are very actively discussing the figure and our opinions about certain aspects of it. That's the fun of having a forum like this.

    I for one can't quite get over how Takara can produce a lesser quality product (compared to BTs with their diecast, rubber tires and in most cases functioning steering column) and charge significantly more. I suppose the answer is that we are willing to pay it.
     
  7. ex dtw2003

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    Honestly, it'll be when when MPs lose pinned wheels and switch to clip-ons that they'll lose me. It'll be interesting to watch that debate if/when it happens.
     
  8. Liege Prime

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    They can charge whatever we will pay, so yeah there's that. Comparing to BTs though... I don't know. That was years ago and they generally went for what, $50 to import? They were bulkier molds, but certainly not more streamlined in terms of the robot modes, and the molds were reused over and over. So yeah, Sideswipe is about $35 more to import, but since we're paying much more now since the days of alternators I guess it's not shocking. As far as inferior material, well to be frank I don't know. Metal can throw of the balance and is sometimes just not needed, and rubber has its issues but ultimately I can't speak for Takara on their design choices.

    Now, considering we have to pay almost $40 for a takara deluxe, like the comabiticons, which are smaller, less complex, and not licensed, Sideswipe doesn't seem high priced at current standards.
     
  9. ex dtw2003

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    I don't get why we keep calling SS deluxe sized, he seems so much more like a compact Voyager to me.

    Like how Knockout is a smaller than average deluxe in alt mode but normal height in bot mode.
     
  10. megatroptimus

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    "It's the bad economy, get used to it!!"

    "Die-cast is pointless, paint will chip, the metal will rust and it can kill babies!!!"

    "Functional steering column and working doors are just a stupid gimmicks that gets in the way of transformation... the hell with realism!!!"

    "Rubber tires would crack in a matter of hours!!!"

    "Complex transformation are lame, they waste my precious time. I prefer my toys when they transform 1-2-3!!! I wanna playyyyyyy!"

    "At least the box is pretty!"
     
  11. Liege Prime

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    Yeah, things are said at places.
     
  12. leov36

    leov36 Rubber Wheel'd UM

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    Lol, it would be like g1 all over again. My cousin was so pissed he got plastic tire-blue face UM for x-mas '86 and I got rubber tire UM.

    I guess I'm just bitter cause Takara set a standard with mp-1, mp-2, mp-4, mp-9, and mp10 having rubber wheels. And With the addtion of mp-5 and mp-8 having Diecast bits. It was kinda a let down with mp-12 having plastic AND no metal. The seakers never bothered me cause of the size. So, with mp12 having no rubber and/or metal, plus the smaller size just didn't add up in my head as a masterpiece figure. Now my MP's won't match :cry 

    This is just my opinion people, don't kill me. As someone pointed out, this is a discussion forum. I still bought the figure and I'm anxiously awaiting for it to arrive.
     
  13. megatroptimus

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    Then that's not helping either since there are even more Voyager toys that are more intricate. :p 
     
  14. ex dtw2003

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    1) It IS true.
    2) Meh, die cast is costlier but is it better? Personally I like some, like Prime and Rod's feet being die cast. Adds some heft while not overly imparing stability.
    3) That "functional" crap is not what should be in an MP if it affects G1 bot/toon realism. People who say otherwise don't get the gist of the MP line.
    4) Funny, but I wish the tires were rubber too.
    5) After having "thought" I loved complex transformations, I think the Prime line is getting it right between complex rewarding schemes and playability. Excessively complex is not as fun as I thought it was (at least for me.)
     
  15. ex dtw2003

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    Yeah, but "complex" shouldn't be a goal in and of itself.

    Why make things more complex when the goal of representing G1 toon/toy can be done more simply?
     
  16. yami4ct

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    If they look good, I won't care. Now, if they have bad QC, break, or look awful, that's how they'll lose me. I buy my TFs for display mostly. Sure, I play with a new figure for a month or two before it goes on its shelf, but I don't care much if it rolls well. It just doesn't matter for me. What matters most is how it looks on a shelf. If they pull that off and the toy doesn't break left and right, I'm cool with however they get there.


    Really true. Look at leader ROTF Prime, for example. If you fiddle with him, he's one of the most fantastic looking transformers around. The problem is, his complexity gets in the way at every turn. It's part of why I sort of prefer the BB Voyager Prime. That's a toy that accomplishes a great look, but isn't a pain to get to look like how you want him to.
     
  17. ex dtw2003

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    Clip on wheels is my "too cheap redline".
     
  18. leov36

    leov36 Rubber Wheel'd UM

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    I also HATE Diecast because it impedes my ability re-create every dynamic pose my favorite TF ever did in Transformers: The Movie.
     
  19. yami4ct

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    To be fair, it isn't Diecast that's the problem. It's Takara's Diecast. No company has proved more inept with a certain material like Takara has been with diecast. It's great when done well, look at Bandai's Metal Build Gundams or SOCs, but god dang if every tf that uses it doesn't use it well. The alternity line is the one that came the closest with the diecast spines, but it still didn't do it particularly well. Given I doubt they can improve at this point, I think it's better they just go all plastic.
     
  20. mx-01 archon

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    To be fair, having three dimensions impedes the ability to re-create every dynamic pose a TF ever did in Transformers: the Movie.