Universe 2.0 Bruticus Maximus

Yes, it would sell with the fans, but would it sell with the little kids? Plus, that would probably take up an entire wave. Also, making something that has both a presentable robot mode, alt mode & limb with articulation probably costs a bit extra than a standard car to robot w/articulation. Perhaps one day we'll get limbs for Onslaught & Silverbolt, but not anytime soon as it looks right now, as it does seem plausible but unlikely.

Did these sell to kids when they first came out??
Will any of it sell?

The classic/universe line seems to be doing very well without a cartoon or comic to keep it in the minds of children. So who’s buying them?

There seems to be a big fanbase with the TF's and whenever they make G1 accurate stuff it always seem to sell. That’s why the renames these leftovers and put G1 names on it. They want the collectors to buy'em.

thing is though, a kid will but pretty much anything and be fairly happy with it

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Your point was that you want Hasbro to create new molds to fill the slots of these Target Exclusive Energon combiner repaints.

My point was that was unlikely as hell, and there's no precedent for it. No new toy has ever been developed for the express purpose of being a store exclusive. If that's how it ended up, it's due to other unforeseen factors at time of development.

And what you're going to say is that they could just go and mass release these "exclusives" in new colours later on or something.

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. The development of new figures is an expensive process, and to be profitable, Hasbro needs to recoup as much of the costs as possible (and hopefully make a profit on the initial release). That equates to a mass-release right out of the gate in order to get the most bang for their buck.

Robovision Prime was not developed as an exclusive, but as a mass-market figure. His pre-release exclusive status was likely due to Target providing some sort of incentive (probably a good bit of money) to be a heavy movie-marketing partner (further seen by the further large amount of Target-only exclusives, especially compared to the other chains).

Of course, why not go mass market in the first place? The release schedule is already packed as it is. Universe, Animated, new movie toys in development. There's no fucking time to develop 10 new Universe molds, let alone time in the release schedule to release them all amongst what's going to be a huge 2009 year. If you've noticed, TF waves usually come in assortments of three new figures. A lot of this is for pacing the lines out, as well as how the mass-market retail structure works. You're asking for four, likely at once, at one pricepoint, and another simultaneous release of a larger figure, too. The two just don't add up, and is part of the problem why Hasbro has been so hard-pressed to release any combiners at all. It worked in G1, but the conditions were quite a bit different back then. The most important factor was that all the molds were pre-existing toys. None of the development cycle issues that I've been harping on repeatedly. The other thing is that the state of mass-marketing is quite a bit different. Back in the G1 days, the entire year's assortment of figures would be available practically all at once, and would continue shipping throughout the year. But with the increased focus that retailers have developed on market research and statistics and inventory management, the standards now are smaller waves of figures that continuously replace each other throughout the year, to better facilitate this structure. This is on the retailers' mandate, and Hasbro can't sell anything unless they abide by what the retailers want.

And another thing, too. You're assuming that this release is entirely Hasbro's decision. Given the nature of numerous other store exclusives, Target probably approached Hasbro to develop another exclusive for them (it's all in the marketing strategy), in which case, the argument's moot, as it means this release wasn't developed on Hasbro's initiative anyways, as a side project that doesn't much effect Hasbro's house-planned developments. Fandom always treats repaints like they're taking up release slots that could be used for something new. Whereas the reality is, they're probably creating slots by opening up more budget, by reselling something that's already been developed and payed for.

So in short, STOP COMPLAINING TO HASBRO ABOUT THINGS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. The only arguments here I'm really seeing are "I want it, that's the way it was in G1". That does not make you an expert in TF marketting. Impulse and nostalgia does not lead to good corporate decision making (the exact opposite, actually). I've done my best to inject some logic into this discussion, and even I don't know half the subtleties that go into that kind of work. If you really think you know better, go get yourself a business degree and then apply at Hasbro. Otherwise, quit your bitching.

You see you were good up until the end there...

Dude, you should stop reading threads...or at least responding to them. If it so hard to inject logic then maybe you should stop trying so hard.

It almost like you made this horrible decision to release this mess and now trying to justify it. NO matter what you say you can't speak for Hasbro, me, or all the fans. You can speak for yourself.

and how you gonna tell someone quit bitching. Its a thread and we are responding to it. If you dont like it, don't repond to it. The Bitching ends when you stop posting.

Anyway call it what you will. It still sucks and could have been much better.
G1-NOT G1, it dosn't change it. Its still a ugly peice of plastic to me. I like a lot of non G1 molds, the Classic line is great. This Bruticus Crapimus..not so much.

I'm not trying to force you to like it. And I'm not exactly directing everything at you, either. But a good number of people expect far too much out of Hasbro and then justify their opinion by somehow imagining that their way is "easier" or "better". And then throw hissy-fits when they don't get their way. This line of thinking is just a recipe for failure.

Buy what you like, don't buy what you don't, stop acting like everything you don't like has no right to exist, as there will always be differing opinions from yours. It's probably better for your budget (and your stress levels) in the long run .

look, why dont you 2 just take it easy, huh? we get the point-Aprim doesnt like it, mx-01 archon thinks its decent. no need to insult eachother and swear.

what probably happened was either:
a)target asked Hasbro for an exclusive, and Hasbro took advantage of this to make an easy buck by reselling an old mold, and we should be thankful for combiners at all
b)Hasbro made the toys and decided to use Target to sell it cause maybe they have some sort of deal going on, which is why there are alot of Target Exclusives and few Walmart ones.

point is, during Energon they wanted a Gestault Combiner. they could either make a bunch of new molds and sell 2 packs of toys, or make a bunch of molds, reuse a few, and sell 3 packs of toys. it was a smart business move. now they;re selling it again. Is it G1, despite what the box says? no. is it still decent for what it is? i think so. and although i would have prefered new molds, with Swindle as a different kind of assault vehicle and Blast Off as a missile-rocket-thing (it would be cool, admit it!) they went a different road. its what we got, and im gonna enjoy it and Movie Devastator

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aprim, you're not making any sense. Someone's taken the time to explain, at great length, the process that has lead to this toy's re-release. You've responded with... crap, quite frankly. No one's bitching at you, they're trying to explain why what you want isn't going to happen. For some reason you prefer to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that Hasbro hate you.

On topic: hope this hits the UK. Looks like a good repaint, and I only managed to pick up Barricade from the original release. Got Classics Devastator recently and like him, so looking forward to Bruticus.

Heh, maybe things seemed a bit heated, but I don't think there was much insult being thrown around.

I've got nothing against Aprim, or anybody else here. I was just trying to point out the fallacies of the "why can't it be just the way I want it" way of thinking that was becoming so dominant.

i know, im just hoping to end it-and i misread the part about WRONGS

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