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Old 11-04-2009, 09:00 PM   #41
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The picture is so small that I can't really tell but the simple fact that the picture is so small is shady. It's probably someone's 2nd ebay account. You can see some sticker residue on front where they usually put the Chinese sticker (could be a genuine sticker though). No one should bid on this item without additional pictures.

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I am pretty sure this is the china version even though the AFA sticker does not state it. I think the back of the box gives it away. what do you guys think?

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Old 11-04-2009, 09:03 PM   #42
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I am pretty sure this is the china version even though the AFA sticker does not state it. I think the back of the box gives it away. what do you guys think?

Transformer G1 Ironhide AFA - eBay (item 330373824093 end time Nov-05-09 16:41:44 PST)
The King can spot this a mile away!

This is definitely a Chinese re-issue.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:30 PM   #43
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The King can spot this a mile away!

This is definitely a Chinese re-issue.
and yet AFA failed to catch it my respect for them remains very low
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:53 PM   #44
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and yet AFA failed to catch it my respect for them remains very low
At the time of grading, AFA didn't have knowledge of the Chinese re-issues. Currently, AFA doesn't make this mistake, and they denote them as Chinese re-issues. Furthermore, AFA will buy these mistakes back from current owners. AFA gets my respect for this!
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:30 PM   #45
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I am pretty sure this is the china version even though the AFA sticker does not state it. I think the back of the box gives it away. what do you guys think?

Transformer G1 Ironhide AFA - eBay (item 330373824093 end time Nov-05-09 16:41:44 PST)
Here's another Chinese re-issue!

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Old 11-05-2009, 12:30 AM   #46
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At the time of grading, AFA didn't have knowledge of the Chinese re-issues. Currently, AFA doesn't make this mistake, and they denote them as Chinese re-issues. Furthermore, AFA will buy these mistakes back from current owners. AFA gets my respect for this!
ah okay well I half rescind my prior post but i still question by whose say so are they "The" experts don't matter that much i suppose as id never have a fig graded
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:40 AM   #47
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ah okay well I half rescind my prior post but i still question by whose say so are they "The" experts don't matter that much i suppose as id never have a fig graded
Now if they let a KO or a Chinese re-issue slip through today, I'd agree with you!

I don't consider them experts, as I doubt they know more about pre rubs than me, but I do trust AFA over sellers that sell MOSC/MISB items. At least I have piece of mind knowing that the item went through some sort of testing, and the acrylic case helps to protect them.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:13 AM   #48
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Now if they let a KO or a Chinese re-issue slip through today, I'd agree with you!

I don't consider them experts, as I doubt they know more about pre rubs than me, but I do trust AFA over sellers that sell MOSC/MISB items. At least I have piece of mind knowing that the item went through some sort of testing, and the acrylic case helps to protect them.
right there is the other thing i do not like about the AFA as personally feel its a crime to seal away a Transformer in one of those boxes but as i do not collect not for the value but for the unadulterated pleasure of finding the ones i desire and making them mine, I do understand why they do it and the appeal of it to some collectors but i do not like it
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right there is the other thing i do not like about the AFA as personally feel its a crime to seal away a Transformer in one of those boxes but as i do not collect not for the value but for the unadulterated pleasure of finding the ones i desire and making them mine, I do understand why they do it and the appeal of it to some collectors but i do not like it
What about a collector, such as myself, that has both AFA Transformers as well as loose Transformers?
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:36 AM   #50
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What about a collector, such as myself, that has both AFA Transformers as well as loose Transformers?
hey thats fine with me i was just saying some like them AFAed and some don't and some like both ways such as your self. The way i see it there is room enough for TF collectors of all kinds i just wish scumbags would not try to take advantage of less well informed collectors
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