so i went to read the synopsis of #13 on tfwiki. its not up yet. turns out ive only read issues 1-5. i read all the synopsis from 6-12 again.

 

Haha, it'll ruin the issue for others who haven't read it.. and technically it's not out yet (read it for review purposes), so i'll refrain till tmrw  

 

oh i didnt realize it wasnt out yet. sucks being behind, but i dont wat to buy all these stories twice and i def want the tpb...  

 

I love how Prowl's character is shaping up.

I think it is brilliant the fact he rubbed out Ratbat, Bombshell and the Constructicons. Too many times we see the villain get away to fight another day because the 'good guys' can bring themselves to kill someone.

I like to think of Prowl as being so cold and harsh because he is just so desperate for the war to end. Hes willing to do what needs to be done, even if the rest of the autobots would be horrified at his methods because he needs peace.

More than that, Prowl and many of the characterisations in RID and MTME is helping to stop the notion that all the Autobots are super heroic and all the Decepticons are despicable villains.

Keep the good times coming IDW.

 

Cheers. I think it helps add a layer of complexity to the story. The likes of Starscream giving peace a chance and the antics of the Scavenger crew in MTMTE help to make the Decepticons a little more sympathetic.

Same with Megatron's backstory in Chaos Theory. It'll be interesting to see what he gets up to in #13 and the near future.

 

I currently dislike bumblebee's and ratchet's portrayal. Yes.. they are evolving. But it seems forced. Ratchet has always been kind and helpful in making lower life-forms comfortable. His personality choose of present doesn't coincide with earlier appearances. And the bumblebee that pleaded it wasn't the autobot way to execute- that befriended the little girl? It seems he no longer exists. There are a lot of transformers to be explored but I think the focus SOMETIMES has to be on the characters and their animosity etc. Blaster hates soundwave. Beachcomber was screwed in the head. Rodimus is an idiot. The decepticons are wills w/o megatron. What about six-shot and the other toughies from phase six or seven. If the enemy is this wimpy why has the war gone on for so long? I love Robert's scripting and wackiness and his NOT ignoring old continuity and I love barber's attention to the past and the politics he has utilized in his series. I still want target masters and head masters to be utilized. Where is skorponok? We can skip action masters but I wish to see more cybertronian tech. And I want to explore themes that furman attempted early on but was stopped early. I want to revisit a technologically advanced earth under military law. Costa played it safe with his evolvement of our race- but earth is paranoid and we would give up many of our civil liberties to be protected. Senator holt- machination agents that escaped prosecution-cover-ups- we would be a dramatically changed world. And I believe that an aspect of hunter still exists. It only makes sense. I want to explore furman's run while moving forward.

 

I think great stories have grey characters. Good vs. Evil was fine when we were kids, but as these books are aimed at teens and adults, it's nice to see that the writing isn't so black and white.

Some people will view Prowl as a villain because he doesn't have the high moral principles of an Optimus Prime or even a Bumblebee. Others will view him as a hero because he is doing everything for what he believes is the greater good and trying to keep the peace. I'm on the side that views him as a good guy, but that doesn't mean that those who see him differently are wrong.

 

I honestly see Prowl as an IDW Judge Dredd. If anything he's FUN to read.

Which I can't say for the walking overpower deus-ex-asspull that is Arcee.

 

i don;t care about bombshell or that stupid ratbat...

you might not care for constructicons, but many fans do, as for myself, not just for the child hood memories , but for the great potential they had as a team of engineers... and being a designer myself, i had some sort of attachment to these guys specially HOOK.

but once you miss the GODDAMN CONSTRUCTICONS AND THE DEVESTATOR, then you'l know why they didn't deserve to die... they were the masterminds of design and engineering, they could be used for better purposes than killed off.
so yeah... they will be back, and once they get back they'll crush prowl...

CONSTRUCTICONS FOR LIFEEEEEE....

 

i dont think prowl was taking any of that into consideration when he pushed the button. i think you are really saying that the writer is evil, not prowl..   i was sad to see them go as well... they can always live on in flash backs.

 

i don't seem to be interested in seeing transformers on earth again, i rather see an all out robot comic book than stupid humans and thier technology limits in comics, i'm simply tired of throwing humans in TF universe so readers can connect to them... well the reader can go read super hero comics, this comic is about robots not humans... i rather watch bee and other bots transform into cybertronian cars or vehicles than camaro and SuV...

the era of furman bore is over, a new age of tf has begun which is 10 times much better than those of robots on earth or anything...
an age where robots are treated as sentient beings not just robots. and have thier own adventures...
i think we've had enough of human robot interaction and earth as a playground for the last 30 years. time to throw the humans in trash.  

 

prowl had no right to be there, that was a con business, they were defending their territory. prowl acted out of grudge. i guess he just shut down his scenario based calculating. and snapped.

 

bombshell murdered someone, and they were using mind control drones.

That's too dangerous in a flegling government, say bombshell slipped one of those onto Metalhawk or bumblebee or sideswipe (just to assassinate bumblebee)

regardless of your childhood attachment to the Constructicons, they threw in their towel with a sadistic scientist and they were going to kill Blurr. Prowl gave them the option to surrender right? There is no decepticon territory, they were in the tunnels, and they were accomplisces to murder.

Furthermore, bombshell was escaping.

BOOM goes their heads (honestly what would you have done in Prowl's shoes? Five guys want to kill you and you have a kill switch?

Btw, I still have my childhood Constructicons, Metroplex and Trypticon downstairs. I've been a fan of tf since 1984. Regardless, the evil engineers have had their time in the idwverse, and they could combine anymore. Anytime a death occurs in either comic there will be a fan of that character out there somewhere.

 

so i just got through rereading through RID #2 and so far Prowl has been a cool cat. He just took Skywarp down and had Arcee kill Rat Bat after they attempted to assassinate Bumblebee and violently take control of Cybertron... do people really have a problem with this?

I'm not a fan of what has been done to Arcee, but that's got to be another thread.

 

i am REreading. i have read the tpb twice already when the it first came out, but i have not read past issue 5.

prowl does seem to have wanted rat bat alive. he was pissed when he told arcee she "compromised" him by killing rat bat.

for the record i am ASKING to be filled in on what it is that this character has done. the words dick, douche, and villian are what he is being called. so i am asking for an explanation with evidence from the text.

to me it seems prowl understands the war between decepticons and autobots (at least here in iacon) isnt really over. This attempted assassination in which a large portion of the Decepticons were complicit in the plot was just confirmation of what he had already calculated was going to happen.

He did try to tell Bee that Rat Bat would be a problem before Starscream ever mentioned the Assassination plot.  

 

dude, i said i read the first tpb, issues 1-5. (tpb = trade paperback)

there is also a huge difference between seeing "nothing wrong with what he is doing", and saying he IS the villian. Everybody makes mistakes, I'm sure even Prowl. Using Arcee is my #1 problem with what he is doing so far. So I'm asking for more evidence.

 

prowl got as much blood on his hand as a loyal decepticon. actually i have nothing against it, i never cared for the guy from day 1. but he's on my nerves

 

I reserve the right to disagree with you, and am willing to maturely discuss the points you raise.

But really, not singling you out or anything, but the prowl.is a dick camp doesn't tend to give good/any reasons the opinion he is a dick. They just say he's a villainous dick and they're bored with rid. Personally, I think people being bored with rid is less about the quality of the comic (disclaimer, I like ridbas much as mtmte, for different reasons), and more about the attention of the average text messaging, forum surfing human being these days. Barber is playing the long game, with many plots running simultaneously, who is a rare thing in comics these days. For the record, he is also the editor of MTMTE, which no one seems to realize is significant.

Prowl is not a bad guy, he has always (in idw at least) been willing to do bad things to get the job.done. His secrecy is as much to protect himself as it is to shield Bumblebee and the other autobots from the fallout should prowl's machinations be discovered.

I think before people lay judgment at his feet, consider what 4 million years of war would do to you, your opponents are ruthless and evil (megs, shockwave, turmoil, overlord). Now everyone can be all morals all the time like Optimus if they want to win the war. Now, in peacetime, how would you respond to assassination attempts, mind control drones, and some kind of orbital strike/firebombing on omega supreme. Someone's got to get their hands dirty for the good of everyone involved.

 

i heard people mention prowl might be responsible for attacking omega supreme? that i find hard to believe. what does the evidence look like there?