insight on Prowl and his thoughts

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  1. Autoboty

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    Does anyone here actually understand Prowl's worldview and philosophy? If you do, please inform me about it (be as specific as you can) and your opinion about it... I'm considering including him in my study of anti-heroes (or anti-villains) to be featured in my thesis paper. No, please don't recommend rereading the comics. I am asking this here because I don't understand it.

    What I know now...
    *Prowl sees the world as numbers. (But why?)
    *He doesn't agree with Prime (again, but why? How do their opinions differ?)
     
  2. AshleyCuadra

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    He's psycho
     
  3. Autoboty

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    Clearly, but I want a more detailed explanation.
     
  4. AshleyCuadra

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    I got nothing ok just saying that all he cares about is himself for I don't know
     
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    Absolutely incorrect.

    Prowl is a character who goes back years and years in his mentalities. In fact, over the entirety of the IDW series you can see him change, chronologically, from A through Z. And before I ramble on, this can probably be better answered by some of the scribes we have here on TFW, but I'll give it MY two cents.

    Prowl was at one point an individual who saw rules and thought they were stalwart and unbreakable. Anyone who didn't follow them was a degenerate worthy of what they had coming. Quite like many heroes, in their peak of their hero mentalities.

    But in time, he learned how to lose things. His loved ones (Chromedome), his way of thinking (attempting to leave the way and failing, which led to...), his mentality (joining the war, instead of running from it). In time, he was also betrayed by partners, allies, his beliefs, etc. We saw him see it all. In fact, if Optimus Prime himself had listened to Prowl, the "All Hail Megatron" event would have seen earth spared. But alas Prime, despite having Prowl as his tactical adviser and lieutenant, ignored him anyway. Which led to millions murdered and the Autobots almost losing the war anyway.

    Eventually, a mind comes to see that it isn't a healthy way to rationalize the world around it, or it will drive itself a special kind of worrying crazy. What was MORE likely than believing in people, was believing in the statistical probability that they would do something. And so Prowl began to build his actions around that instead.

    I look at my own signature here, and think that I should change it sometimes to "Prowl was right". He shows it more and more frequently. Guys like Optimus preach that "peace is the way to go", yet attempt to reach Prowl through violence. Prowl just kind of... understands things as they come at him. And though his methods might be crass and brash, he hasn't been often wrong. In fact, most of the instances I remember where he has been undermined, his tactics our input was solid, and a tertiary element sent his plans packing. Which, in comics, happens- another, unforeseen kink throws a kink into the best-laid plans.

    In the recent Transformers issue, he and Prime come to blows about his mentality after Prowl says that all of what he has done and what he can/will do has nothing to do with morality. War and betrayal and hurt did that to him.

    In the issue prior, he is confronted by "Ultra Prime", who shows him that people can't be just numbers and stats, like Prowl sees. And even if he sees them as such, someone will always be a better person than him, and will not understand him but will fight for him. When Prowl understands that, he comes to be on the same level as Prime and the others- he is an outsider in his mentality but they all understand that.

    This being said, Prowl's role is one of "this is most likely to happen". He is often foiled by the product's necessity to have someone show up and be a hero. Kind of like Worf from Star Trek- often you see him get shut down by his superiors, but if you look at his track record he was often right from the get-go. In-universe, he got tired of the "getting shut down" part.

    He sees things as they are, statistically and with probability, most likely to be. After all the things he has seen, he has been disillusioned by the war and what it has done to him and those around him.

    He says it best in his spotlight: "the numbers are accurate, but that doesn't mean they are right". That phrase is Prowl in a nutshell. He probably doesn't agree that his actions are heroic. But they are, by percentages, what is needed.

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    And what is his reason to Arcee and optimus prime beats him in a fight
     
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    Prowl certainly does not care about only himself and no one else. If anything he has the opposite problem.
     
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    Ok but why was he smiling and mad
     
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    In what context?
     
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    Hmmmm when ever be talks to optimus prime and hear other's conversations
     
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    What's that got to do with "only caring about himself"?
     
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    Prowl is a very complex character and his goal is quite simple it is not to defeat the Decepticons but to destroy them. Last issue is correct in his world views what does Morality has to do with tactics and logic. Starscream is more of a threat to Prowl right now than Megatron simply people believe him and trust him. Prowl is not perceive as trustworthy or having your back.
     
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    Do you guys know were find find an app to read the comic's
     
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    Prowl wants safety for Cybertron and peace by any means necessary. He believes that he's the only one with answers.

    He's truly altruistic fanatic.

    Don't fear egoists. Fear the people who are willing to do everything for the common good.
     
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    Basically this.
     
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    Not an app, but try Viewcomic.com. Search for Transformers.
     
  17. Autoboty

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    This is good....
     
  18. Autoboty

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    and this is better....
     
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    ...but I'd like more recent stuff. As in 'why'd he want to destroy the spacebridge?' type stuff.
     
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    That kind of opens the whole can of worms. Barber's grasp of Prowl's motives can be described as fleeting at best.