That is a good point, nobody listened to Prowl and Prowl's sick of everyone's bullshit....might as well get things done all by myself.

and in a way he's right, if and more likely when the Galactic Council turns their sites to Cybertron. I want Prowl to say...I Told You So in that smug ass tone and grin he's been doing as of late.  

 

I figured out what annoys me with Prowl. He's basically Marvel's version of Shockwave.

 

Nah. It'd be his first conversation with Tailgate, the innocent one.
Whirl has been working with Prowl after Megatron on board of LL, if my hunch is right.

 

I don't see how that's a bad thing.

Besides if he was Marvel Shockwave, he'd actually be successful in his endeavours.

What makes you think that it'll be Tailgate that'll drive him to the nut house?

 

I haven't read the most recent edition of not-RiD, but based on what I've read in the last couple issues, and in the previews for the current issue, I like their exploration of Prowl's character. This is a guy who has been the nerve center of Autobot High Command for ages. He's seen everything the Decepticons have done, and he's seen all the Autobots--and he himself--have had to do in response. He knows the details of the interminable war better than anyone else. And given his cold analytic bend, he has developed a nihilistic attitude. Cybertronians are bad for the universe. Their internecine squabble has destroyed who knows how many of worlds and sentient species--and the "good guys" have been as responsible for this as the bad guys. He has logically deduced a powerful Cybertron is bad for everybody, and isolation is the best way of sparing the rest of the galaxy from the catastrophe that trails Cybertron.

It's an interesting concept, and one I hope they continue to explore with Prowl. I could see him becoming a third-party threat: not joining the Decepticons who are the first cause of the crimes of the Cybertronians, no longer affiliating with the Autobots who refuse to recognize the truth of his perspective, but a threat to both sides so long as they continue to reach beyond their planet.

 

As much as Prowl is described as being logical, I haven't seen much evidence of it. He doesn't really have much foresight.

 

yeah that's a habit with this franchise, it's all tell no show.

Then again Prowl's pretty much been losing his mind as of late.

 

Pretty much what Autovolt said. It is hard to write a logical person who is actually likeable. Prowl is basically that the main problem very few people can write him logical without going full blown Shockwave. Also being bonded to the Constructicons didn't help Prowl's sanity. I think with Prowl it was Devastator in driver seat mostly now.

 

I remember my brother and I got real tired of Marvel Shockwave showing up and beating someone, and never ever #$#%ing dying. Though that may not be what he meant.

Tailgate is very idealistic. Prowl is very cynical. And not in the same way as Cyclonus. Put the two together...

 

I agree that it is incredibly hard to show someone whose driving character trait is "no emotions" or "driven by logic." I think one could make a case that Spock was not super logical or unemotional.

That said, I think the series has done a decent job of showing he could analyze and assess data to be able to use in long-term strategies. He showed good foresight right off the bat on their return to earth in maneuvering the Decepticons into a confrontation where they and their human counterparts were at a disadvantage. And I think it is a logical conclusion (untempered by hope, faith, etc) that Cybertronians are bad news for the galaxy.

 

Agreed, Barber can't seem to nail the nuance of having this character, depicting him as virtually evil rather than jaded and amoral in pursuit of the goal he has set for himself (which is ultimately a lofty one, even if it means the demise of the Cybertronian race).

Then yes, there is the question of how much the Constructicons were effecting him, or if there are any lingering effects from Bombshell's control. There does seem to have been some hints that something else aside from his logic is influencing him.

BTW, why are people saying Roche will have Prowl back? I saw the news about the Wrecker series by Roche, but I didn't see any news about Prowl being part of that book.

 

ah ok.

It just seems very likely. I mean if Arcee's part of the Wreckers and Prowl was in Last Stand of the Wreckers...it just feels like it would make sense for him to be in it.

 

I saw this on my dashboard and thought about this thread. These are opinion of other people but I felt I might as well share them with the original poster(if they're still paying attention to this thread):

 

That's right, he did stand next to Springer and Kup once, didn't he?

 

Previewsworld indicates that it's not that he is a Wrecker, but rather the mission involves him.

Which also explains why Arcee's involved.

 

Prowl is kidnapped.

For me Prowl represents someone who simply doesnt want to be there but does what he feels no one else can or will do. He does things that no other bot will do and justifies to himself that they need to get done. We know that he was originally going to walk away from the war and be a NAIL but craft was shot down and he was forced to join the war. Hes not really a fighter in a true sense and maybe feels inadequate in that department.

He has an analytical mind but sometimes you just cant break things down into numbers. Things simply arent that easy. He wants to be in control but not be autobot leader.

Prowl will do what he needs to do to protect those he cares about and he does care about others. Its not just himself. He hates war, hates the Cons and hates above all uncertainty. He craves order and control.

 

Personally, I think Prowl's absolute height was in the stories written by Roche. I think Nick Roche really GETS the characters that he writes about, or at least makes an effort to really tease out what their essential natures are. Anything after Wreckers and Everything in its Right Place has been disappointing from my perspective... Barber who writes with the grace of a sledgehammer, and Roberts, who generally does right by Prowl, but still can't help lapsing into caricature.

And yeah, I agree... Barber can't quite handle Prowl with any subtlety or discretion... he has to be at the center of conflict, in the midst of some grand moral dilemma. My feeling was that Prowl became way less interesting the moment he was seen as "going rogue". He shouldn't be in that kind of position... instead, he is much more interesting as an institutional figure, a spymaster and manipulator who almost never gets his hands dirty, who may have a somewhat antagonistic relationship with others (especially rowdy free-thinkers like Rodimus or Springer or whoever), but who is cloaked by rank and strategic legitimacy.

With things as they are, they've gotten way, WAY out of hand, and I'm very sad because I don't see how we can get back to pre-Barber Prowl from here.  

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If Prowl can be rescued from Costa, he can be rescued from Barber.

 

I find Prowl one of the easiest characters to understand these days. He's operating on a highly simplified world view witha dash of moral elitism and no small smattering of falsification of his self image. How he sees the world is easy, why is impossible to really know.