Which Change Created the Functionist Universe? (Theory)

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  1. MatrixOfWumbo

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    Elegant Chaos revealed two things:
    -Megatron's was always meant to have its Matrixed spark destroyed by Rewind and replaced by a .1 percenter from Luna 1
    -in an alternate timeline the Senate was not destroyed by Decepticons but overthrown years prior by the Functionist Council

    It would stand to reason that the Decepticons never arose because Megatron was killed on his thawing slab, but this was always meant to happen in the normal timeline. What if instead of the timeline diverging when Megatron never being born, the divergence occurred when the "true" Megatron (the original cold-construct spark) was born?

    Granted the only thing this would really change would be that if the LL crew had to go to the alternate stream they'd run into a 'bot wearing Megatron's original miner body, but that could really mess with Megatron's head, seeing this guy that could have been him.
     
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    Yes, the Functionist timeline almost certainly has a very familiar looking miner from Tarn walking around.
     
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    Perceptor thinks the Functionist timeline is created when he tampers with the paradox locks. That's exactly at the point where the crew take Brainstorm down and before he gets back up and aims the gun again. So, it would make sense that in the alternative timeline, Joetron lives and Megatron isn't born for another 5 million years.

    But actually, Rewind's & Magnus's databases are being overwritten prior to that moment and time stops in the present before Brainstorm jumps to 1st Cycle 012, so unless Perceptor has been tampering all along, it leaves the exact point of divergence a bit more open to interpretation.
     
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    Everything in the past still happens before the future, so as soon as the first Time Machine is activated, everything further down the timeline'll get overwrite from what that timeframe is actually supposed to be.


    Really, the Time Machine activating is just what gives the Altered Timeline (aka Ours) access to the Unaltered Timeline (Functionist). Once that connection happens, dataflow begins.
     
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    Well, no, just because he tampered in teh present, doesn't mean the past wouldn't be altered anyway. The databases being over-writen was a direct result of Perceptor's tampering that hadn't yet happened.

    Time hurts.
     
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    I really do hope we see more of the Functionist universe in the future.
     
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    I wanna cry.
     
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    Fun thinking time:

    -If Hot Shot is a Camien, how come he was a Cybertronian in the Functionist timeline?
    -If no war ever broke out in the Functionist timeline, how did the events pre-Megatron turn out, like the Dead Universe guys invading?
     
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    Oh, yes fun. The answer to that may be the same as how come there are female bots on Cybertron and my theory is it's because they made contact with the colonies much sooner. So Hot Shot isn't a Cybertronian necessarily (same for all the other Trilogy bots).

    As an aside, it's been bugging me that we've lost the in-universe species name for Transformers by making Cybertronian a nationality.
     
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    Different Hot Shot. More than likely, that's the Hot Shot that was killed by Decepticons in Drift #2 (in the first mini).

    Personally I think that he's just a body type that's been reused a few times, just like there's bots that look like Rewind. If it's an old design, it's not that weird that it'd get used on Caminus too.

    And note the lack of facial markings, meaning not a Cityspeaker.


    Most likely... they didn't. They never ran into the expanse again, and it also is up for debate whether the Dead Universe was still connected to the Functionist universe.
     
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    Same.

    That's not Hot Shot. That was Hot Rod.

    Hot Rod (Henkei - Transformers Wiki!)

    except tf wiki considers Hot Shot and Hot Rod the same.
     
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    I am not sure Optimus Prime exist in this Universe.
     
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    If he's still around, he's still Orion Pax, but I get the feeling that he'd soon be "decommissioned" if he ever got the itch to question the Council.
     
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    He may have died defending the Senate, perhaps. Or been with the Primal Vanguard. Or, yea, 'decommissioned.'
     
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    Regardless I wouldn't want to live there myself.
     
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    It's still a species name, they all can trace their origin to Cybertron. The same way we are all humans, living in Africa or China dosnt mean your not human.
     
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    Hmm. Yeah, assuming that the Dead Universe isn't something that connects to all the alternate universes (though before Elegant Chaos there were no alternate universes in IDW oh dear I've gone cross-eyed) then there should theoretically be a Functionist!Nova Prime and a Functionist!Ark I out there waiting to send their version of Galvatron and Cyclonus into the world. The Senate was probably killed in the coup that put the Functionists in charge, so no Shockwave or regenesis, even though he still would have been Jihaxus' student.
     
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    The ore seed in the Crystal City was planted by Senator Shockwave before that point, though none of the others were, being done by Decepticon Shockwave.

    Said ore may have been found at some point, likely way sooner and before it fully developed, since the planet wasn't nearly as depopulated...
     
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    The Benzuli Expanse is still a thing, however. It was only closed off because the Nega-Cores were dumped into it by the Autobots, and when they exploded the Expanse was closed off. Nova's plant to initiate the Expansion probably wasn't affected that much - he'd need new Guardians with Thunderwing likely not a Pretender anymore, and Sixshot never implanted with mind-control software by Shockwave - but the Nega-Cores could still be planted where he wanted them to. Obviously something else had to happen to prevent him from starting it, but right now I'm not sure what that could be. It COULD be that someone found the Matrix, but it's probably not Orion Pax.

    EDIT:

    On second thought, this is a little more complicated. There are three possibilities for what the Dead Universe "is":
    1. Another part of the Transformers Multiverse, like the Marvel Continuity and Movie Continuity.
    2. Another "element" of the IDW Universe only.
    3. An element of the IDW Universe tied to each IDW timeline.

    In the first two cases, the Functionist Universe won't feel the effects of Nova's excursions; there's only one copy of them and they already attacked the "Main" IDW universe. Case 1 and 2 are similar: the Benzuli Expanse and the Dead Universe exist in the Functionist Universe but it's empty; the D-Void and Nova's crew are all dead or living in the Main IDW Universe. In case 3, the Dead Universe doesn't even exist at all in the Functionist Universe, because it was only created when Shockwave used the Regenesis ores to kill the Dead Universe when it was first created. What we call the Dead Universe is probably still a "living" universe in the Functionist timeline, in which case a second copy of the Ark-1 crew are probably dicking around in there, establishing a new Cybertronian Empire or something.
     
  20. tusko

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    I think the functionalist universe exists
    because Ravage and Megatron kept a briefcase.
    Shoulda burned 'em all. Y'd think Magnus and Perceptor woulda been better accountants. 17 briefcases during the crisis... 16 at the bonfire.... hmmmm.