I said marketing wont change? Where?

Obvious this is personal for you and my comments seem offensive, not the case. I would love for transformers to be both a boy and girl toy, but we will be waiting a long time before action figures dont sell mostly to boys. And black arachnia's and Prime arcees are shelf warmers.

 

Right there dude.


It's personal to me because you are shitting over my gender and the importance of gender representation while framing your opinions as truths with no evidence to support them. You are using ignorant assumptions to help perpetuate a situation where female fans are considered outliers and not important enough to give representation to. This isn't some arbitrary political argument this is you actively arguing for the continued discrimination of half the species because some guys in Hasbro 30 years ago decided only boys like robots and spent a lot of time ignoring the female fans ever since.

Also Deluxe Airrachnid was a TERRIBLE figure, I didn't even buy one after getting to play with one for a bit. It had nothing to do with her gender, it was a terribly designed figure. As for Arcee, if you think she is shelfwarming you're deluded. The eBay market for her is booming and prices are high.

 

Yea clever but since you obviously know the meaning it falls short from funny.



Listen Habsro is not pushing a agenda? They do focus groups on their target audience daily. Regardless how collectors feel, their finger is on the pulse of people who want to buy their product.

Im sure they r ust missing the giant secret though. THAT BOYS ARE JUST AS INTERESTED IN GIANT FEMALE ROBOTS AS THEY ARE IN EVERY OTHER BOT.

Man if they could have capitalized this years ago, the company would have been worth billions!!!

 

So maybe that's why they have been adding more fembots to the IDWverse and gave us three fembots in one year and dropped gendered language from their corporate presentations.

But yes. The men running Hasbro continuing to insist that ONLY boys buy their toys IS costing them money. Just like the comic industries insistence on marketing only at white guys was costing them money and they finally woke up to this fact and started really working hard on their diversity.

The impotent hysterics of threatened fanboys won't stop this change.

 

Exactly. And this illustrates this whole issue in a nutshell. See a bad figure not sell and its because its a bad figure. But when that figure is a female character ALL OF A SUDDEN the only thing wrong with it is the gender.

 

Nah i actually was thinking about animated black A.





Its been fun in a fight the power, damn the man kinda way.

But i gotta roll out of this thread.

In short. IDW could make any combiner and id enjoy it. But i would like it to be a Junkion, gender unspecific

 

TFWiki has been kind enough to count up all female Transformers: 204.

Getting a count of all Transformers is a little tougher due to their subcategory system, but quick&dirty, tallying up all the franchise subcategories:
Generation 1 Autobots: 478
Generation 1 Decepticons: 400
Beast Wars Predacons: 110
Beast Wars Maximals: 96
Beast Machines Vehicons: 28
Robots in Disguise Autobots: 39
Robots in Disguise Predacons: 20
Robots in Disguise Decepticons: 20
Armada Autobots: 40
Armada Decepticons: 39
Armada Mini-Cons: 156
Cybertron Autobots: 100
Cybertron Decepticons: 78
Movie Autobots: 98
Movie Decepticons: 62
Age of Extinction Autobots: 23
Age of Extinction Decepticons: 19
Fall of Cybertron Autobots: 39
Fall of Cybertron Decepticons: 25
Prime Decepticons: 62
Prime Autobots: 70

SUM: 2002

There is some double-counting there, but also a hell of a lot left out. So females are maaaaaaybe 10% of characters, which would have me off by an order of magnitude. However, it might actually be more relevant in terms of exposure to count the number of toy releases in each gender...anyone want to hazard a guess what that proportion will look like? TFU.info lists 84 female Transformers toys. I couldn't begin to count how many total listings they have...but they list exactly 80 Transformers toylines.

And for one last quantitative comparison...it took Arcee 28 years to get a toy. How long did it take Drift, about that many months?  

 

Im not shitting over anything gender related. Children should be free to enjoy any toy that makes them happy.

CW is a forced storyline. IDW doesnt benefit from this with pr without femmbots

 

Exactly. So girls should be able to enjoy Transformers without constantly being made to feel we aren't valued or wanted by the company and the fandom and being made to treat the literal scraps of representation we get like it is all we deserve by boys who get massive over representation handed to them on a platter without every having to make a fuss to even get a token representation.

In contrast accorging to a MLP wiki I just checked there are 101 male characters to 144 female characters. So men get better representation in a girls show than girls get in a boy show.

 

I'd think the female characters get a lot more double-counting than the guys.

There's 9 versions of Arcee, 5 Chromias, 4 Elita-1s and Strikas and Blackarachnias (honestly surprised there's so few of Arachnia), 2 Windblades, Flamewars, and Antagonys.

Basically if there's a little thing that lists a lot of bots like the Animated Almanac or Kreo-O, the fembots almost always are included since there's so few of them, while bots like Pipes and other minor malebots barely get any.


Though, take a look at this. The continuity with the most female transformers is Aligned, due mostly to Transformers Online Chinese-only characters, a full 27 female cybertronians.

So, props to whoever in TFO China is making characters.

 

Female fans have representation. There have been quite a few good female characters, especially recently, certainly more than just an obligatory few like some groups get. Also, I find your arguments pretty self centered. There are some other groups that get almost no represtentation whatsoever, yet you only harp on the female group, which has decent representation. Hispanics make up quite a bit of the population in America, but I can't even think of one Hispanic character off the top of my head. By your logic, there should be an entire Hispanic combining team for their representation.

 

This here illlustrates EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Men get 90% or more of the characters and attention, and then they whine and bitch about women wanting more and try and derail discussion by making out it somehow unreasonable to ask for better representation if we don't also askfor better representation for everyone else EVERY SINLGLE TIME we bring it up.

Fact is I have spoken about needing better representation for different ethnic groups, transgender people and LGBT+ on many occasions. This discussion right now? We are talking specifically about gender. It's in the fucking title. The fucking hypocrisy in trying to use a lack of discussion of Latino representation while trying to deny half the species better representation is breathtaking.

By no fucking measure is 10% representation 'good' for half the species.

Again this is exactly what I'm talking about. Half the species systemically ignored while guys who get 90% of the attention without doing anything to deserve it tell us we should be grateful and that getting 10% is all we deserve.

 

Verity Carlo? Rafael "Raf" Jorge Gonzales Esquivel? Carlos Lopez?

Also keeping in mind that unlike gender, which applies to transformers, ethnicity does not and trying to make robots into an ethnicity... sometimes backfires. So there one is mainly talking human characters, a much smaller portion of the cast.

Mind you, it'd still be cool to have more.

 

MLP has broken all gender marketing. Go to a MLP convention and its almost both sexes represented equally. Go to botcon and its not.

why is it barbie has a million friends but only one dude named ken. What the hell! I want equal representation!




In the end with transformers AS A GROWN MALE, i dont like or dislike a character or figure based on gender. In fact im more apt to give female characters a better shake for my affection  

But give me character and not just some gimmick of charlies combined angels

 

I understand it's about gender for you, but it's not fair to say one group should be represented accurately, and others don't count. If females need equal representation, so does every other group. If we're going to have equality, might as well take it all the way, not stop at females. Also, I'm not trying to derail the discussion like you said. I wouldn't mind better representation for more groups, but from what I gather, you literally want half the franchise to be female, which would be quite impossible unless the franchise pretty much underwent a complete revisioning, which of course won't happen.

 

I don't know what the hell you're thinking, but I would have loved if Prime Arcee was a shelfwarmer, because I really wanted to find that Beast Hunters version of her. But out of every store I went to, she never was there. The shelfwarmers were the deluxe Bulkheads and Starscreams.

The only time I saw a female figure as an actual shelfwarmer, was Prime Arachnid, about 10 of them in a "5 Below" store bin. And that was probably more because of the fact that Prime Arachnid is a terrible figure. Not that she was a fembot.

 

This post should make you feel bad.

While ethnicity and gender are both important, they are not both directly comparable to each other. Nor are they, as you imply, mutually exclusive (half of Hispanic people are women, truefax). Now, I would like to see more Transformers that are not coded as white (i.e. Jazz), which basically means hiring more racially diverse voice actors. But Transformers do not literally have races or Earth-equivalent ethnicities (there is no "Spain" on Cybertron, but we do have a Tarnian, an Iaconian, a Tetrahexian...). Transformers DO have genders, and they've ALWAYS had genders.

Regardless, we can talk about racial representation in the Transformers all day, and it wouldn't change the fact that there are a trivial number of female Transformers compared to the number of male ones. There would be too few female Transformers if all the voice actors were white. There would be too few female Transformers if all the voice actors were black. There would be too few female Transformers if all the voice actors were Hispanic. There would be too few female Transformers if the voice cast represented all races and nationalities equally.

And what are we asking be done about this? Create 2000 female Transformers out of whole cloth? Change 1000 existing Transformers to be female? Insist that all Transformers be removed from the gender binary (they/them pronouns guys)? No! All we are asking is that when Hasbro creates a new character, to consider making it female, given that it is being added to a stable of characters that started as an all-male clubhouse in 1984. Just put it on the damn poll again.

But somehow that gives a bunch of you guys the vapors, and you collapse back onto your fainting couches crying out "my word, but we've just had a female Transformer, and isn't that just ever too much already?"

Nope. And it won't be for a long time. As in, forever.

(God, almost half of MLPs being male, how did that not just torpedo this whole argument...)

 

Which is exactly what Hasbro should do for Transformers. Funny how the girls brand gets to go gender neutral but the girls brand doesn't. Almost like boys get everything while girls don't. Also one of the reasons Hasbro abandoned gender pronouns in their marketing after Botcon is because they were sat there talkijg about how the rpoduct was aimed at boys to a room full of women:


Barbie wiki. male characters 145, female characters 281.