No, I meant Point One Percenters. Sorry 'bout the confusion  .

 

I dunno. Grimlock is Forged this was proven by Tyrest Killswitch. The other Dynobots if they are Forged or not.

 

Ah, yea. There is a good number of them ^^

Though, hey, there's a pretty good number of generations!


I also have some hypothesis on the winnowing effect of the war. Like, 0.1%s might've been *really* rare back in the day proportionally speaking, compared to now, but the same effect that made Datasticks rare (i.e. not being good in fights), made 0.1%s proportionally more common (good in fights, *and* everyone puts a lot of effort to repairing them when they're hurt).

Heck, even lesser Wreckers like Pyro and Rotostorm, not top tier by any means, have histories painting them as pretty successful badasses who lead units of presumably noticeably less powerful bots. I think, like, the average fighting level of cybertronians has steadily increased for 4 million years as first everyone learned to fight, and then those who got really good at it or had bodies suited for it were most likely to survive. 0.1%s did die during the course of this, but in smaller proportion than anyone else.

 

Tarn isn't confirmed as a .01%, but that doesn't since he captured a phase sixer, defeated Grimlock in a 1v1, and destroyed a cybernought, so yeah.

 

It's like, "He's not confirmed to be, but he totally is."

 

Galvatron! Forgot all about him.

 

sideswipe was pretty hardcore in the beginning of idw and im going along with skids cyclonus arcee and drift. i even bet some of them a more than skilled enough to take out some bigger pops

 

Drift is pretty good, yea, and Sideswipe is a great shot.

Hm, how about Prowl? Remember his take-down of Skywarp early in RiD?

 

He is. Brainstorm confirmed it in script and James confirmed it in various interviews. And it doesn't bother me at all. He's already pretty much unstoppable in the IDW universe, why shouldn't it be inherent? To be honest it's driven me mad for years WHY he and Megatron and Magnus are as powerful as they are. There's never been a reason. Now we have one. I'm grateful to be honest.

For reference sake, the confirmed Point One Percenters are:

Heavyweight Class
Optimus
Megatron
Grimlock
Black Shadow
Overlord
Heretech
Scorponok
Sixshot
Shockwave
Roller
Fortress Maximus (Low grade war born)

Load Bearer Class
Minimus Ambus
Blockus
Datum
Suture

Unconfirmed but possible
Rung
Animus
"Tarn" (Probable)
Ramp
Star Saber
Dai Atlas
Killmaster
The original Ultra Magnus
Galvatron (Probable)

Impactor was in the issue, but his name was swapped for Grimlock's in trade as his being forged would defeat pretty much Tyrest's entire point.

I always assumed CCs were pretty common, given their dominance in the Aequitas trials.

While the other Dinobots are likely to be forged, they're not POPs. Hardcore superbadasses yes, but so far all four together couldn't over power Scorponok, and in Max Dino when he actually fought back, Grimlock demolished them all at once. Other non POP badasses imo would be pretty much any wrecker, Whirl (if not as badass as he might think) Cyclonus, Arcee, Ironhide, Hardhead, Sideswipe to name but a few.

I don't think "driving over the guy who can't fight back" counts as defeated. In fact so far Grimlock's the ONLY thing that's slowed the DJD down. Like his being able to wind Tarn with a single punch to the guy is pretty impressive.

Still waiting for my "sane" Overlord v DJD fight. Mmmmm good times a comin'

 

It's not a good idea to use fights from the Pre-MtMtE/RiD era because they're widely inconsistent. Spotlight Shockwave has him swat aside the Dinobots but in Maximum Dinobots, a damaged Grimlock is giving him lots of trouble. That's just Furman's style, even though he loves the Dinobots, he almost never puts them at a winning record against other top tiers.

Another thing, Ironhide was killed by a human weapon based on Transformer tech. Out oh his many millions years of existence, an actual Cybertronian weapon couldn't kill him? Is he really that feeble?

Heart of Darkness is also incredibly stupid, Arcee and Hardhead nearly defeating Cyclonus, Scourge and Galvatron? The same Galvatron from RiD that shrugged off a smash from Prowlstator?

Ignore the specifics of fights pre-MtMtE/RiD.

 

On the spotlight, they had to fight entirely in beast forms covered in flesh, a sizable handicap.

Remember what the prototype gun did to Megatron in AHM too.

That I buy. Both are *really* strong and both shot him in the back.

It's the Prowlstator one that I think is the inconsistency there. If someone gets punched by a Combiner, they should at *least* be pretty hurt. Even point one percenters.

 

The Dinobots fights most of the time in their alt-modes so that doesn't really work.

Both in Costa and Furma's books, humans have said we are no-where near technologically to Cybertronians yet after a few years with some tech that we don't understand, we can make stronger weapons than them. Why wasn't a weapon strong enough to kill Ironhide made in the 6+ million years of Cybertronian history? Why can we suddenly repurpose Shockwave into a tiny weapon capable of killing Megatron?

What part of that makes even the slightest amount of sense?

Having you been reading RiD? Haven't you seen what Galvatron has gone through in the first Cybertronian civil war? And getting shot in the back even compares?

 

Yes? It's by Arcee and Hardhead. Arcee who takes on combat teams on her own, and Hardhead who's tough enough to shrug fire from normal Autobots like Nightbeat, as well as possessing heavy artillery.

Galvatron is a very skilled warrior, for the most part he wasn't tanking hits in those fights, he was just killing bots before they got good hits in.

 

Just because someone is incredibly skilled in combat, does not mean that the firearms they use are just as dangerous. Optimus is one of the strongest living transformers but it's pretty clear that his ion blaster isn't really special, unlike Megatron who is known for his fusion cannon. Same with Grimlock, he's known for his energon sword, not his twin-blaster as the damage capabilities is not the same in the slightest.

And we have very little to determine how strong Hardhead's firepower is, we see him attack Sixshot and a Ultra Energon empowered Megs and do nothing to them, we see him kill Nightbeat (who was never known for his combat prowess) with a head-shot.

And I'm pretty sure you're not reading RiD correctly or you're just cherry picking things. First thing we see from ancient Galvatron is that he's impaled through the chest and he doesn't even skip a beat. And can you honestly tell me with a straight face that he didn't get hit once while exterminating all the beast bots and headmasters?

 

I agree with the bolds, Ironhide, Astrotrain, Blitzwing, DJD.

 

Still, Hardhead is literally an artillery unit with giant cannons, and Arcee knows how to aim her shots to count.

Prime's Ion Blaster isn't the most special (though it is a reasonably high-end gun), but I'd expect a few shots in the back from it would still put down the majority of point one percenters.

Impaled through the chest is something we've had repeated reminders of not being the most fatal of things. See Sideswipe, Whirl, and a random Decepticon Arcee stabbed *near* the spark as a threat.

Heck, the fact he was impaled shows his armor was pierced by one of his foes.

I'm not saying he hasn't been hit. I'm saying he doesn't get hit much, and those hits haven't done fatal damage. Most of those hits are likely against his front armor too, and with his skill helping protect his more vital areas. A good warrior will sacrifice non-essential damage to the self in exchange for a win.

He's tough. Most bots of his level are. But multiple hits in the back are bad news unless you're a combiner, have an ore-13 body, or phase sixer, I'd figure.

 

What you're saying are things that are conjecture and not fact. You're extrapolating with little to nothing to actually prove so.

 

If it happened I count it. I'm a continuity whore. And Grimlock being so powerful he can take on the other four is actually pretty standard AND ties into his strength in MTMTE. If you want something more modern, Slag and co were no match for Optimus, and have drawn with the likes of Turmoil and Slag came close to loosing to Rippersnapper. None of them are extremes in power bar Grimlock, they're just massively skilled and savage,

Its also been explained in interviews and in-continuity, Shockwave's "rage mode", which is MASSIVELY significant in current fiction, took the dinobots by surprise. And he didn't defeat them with power, he removed their protective layer which is why they were dinosaurs in the first place, they needed organic protection because Shockwave came prepared, they didn't. All bases have been covered in the interveneing years.

Oh obvious ones, Bludgeon and Thunderwing!

Skywatch's weapons are all based on Cybertronian technology, particularly the guns derived from Shockwave's fire power (which took out Megatron). It's was a gimmick weapon but it works as an explanation.

Oooor the Galvatron who appeared pre-all that who was basically unbeatable. HOD is a shitstorm of terrible writing, continuity and art.

Ignore the specifics of fights pre-MtMtE/RiD.[/QUOTE]

Then you ignore most of what happened. I'm sorry but I don't agree with that. While EXTREME discontinuities like HOD (which can fuck right off in general) are to be considered errors, the WRITING today doesn't ignore what came before and I think resetting the expectations of the universe to zero is disingenuous. It's like saying everytime a new writer comes onto the Hulk, ignore everything the Hulk did before hand because the writers might have different goals. The stories that do that tend to suck heavily, and I think as long as everything is connected together it HAS to be considered.

If it happened,hasn't been retconned and isn't something that subsequent stories went out of their way to ignore, I'm counting it. Otherwise, we're just going through a better version of the new 52, and well...we're not. At all.

Oh, Jazz. He's not powerful persay but very skilled.

 

Even in the recently-written flashbacks, Galvatron got impaled at one point. I'm not seeing the disconnect here, he's hurtable.

 

have we established that galvatron is a pop?