Preach it my brotha! Um when did dx9 do a mp galvatron?

 

I love official toys! Chug, masterpiece, i collect all of it. Im not a hater at all but you really dont like 3p. Its fine by me. But my Scoria aka Masterpeice transformer doesnt like not being called official mp. Hes sad now

 

I'm not able to hold an opinion here now? You call me a troll just because you don't like what you're reading?

 

Now now people. Be nice! We all have unpopular opinions. No need for name calling.

 

Nope, I call you a troll for making an overly simplistic, inflammatory generalization. To wit:

Seems like third-path bashing for the sake of bashing.

 

i gave everyone an example. 3P not mirage = a previous CHUG custom.

Mind you it was executed well in the CHUG line but labeled as a part of the masterpiece line... It's not.

You can call me whatever you want here but there are rules on debating.

How about staying on topic instead of insulting a fellow member?

 

In any case, the "is this 'Masterpiece' or not?" question takes up far too much bandwidth here in my not-so-humble opinion; it's primarily a question of aesthetic tastes, and it muddies the waters, since for most purposes what's REALLY the most relevant is "what does it scale with?" especially since this particular thread is specifically about scale as it relates to the community's desires.

Do we have to rehash whether a given toy matches our own expectations of "what a Masterpiece" should or should not look like in multiple threads over and over? It's already bad enough that a fourth of the comments on a given project are something to the effect of "why do we need another ______?" when it's been made pretty clear that multiple companies have had multiple projects under way for months before we ever see hide not hair of it.

Not everything is going to be everyone's cup of tea. It gets tiresome to have to scroll past nonspecific complaints in every thread from people who don't want a given toy to get to the meat of what people do like and what people think can be improved on a project that they ARE interested in.

End rant.

 

Seali, you were talking about Quakewave though. I own a few of the early MP's and all of the post MP-10 MP's and Quakewave along with MP22 magnus are the best both 3P and takara have pushed so far imo, respectively. There's no way you can hold both those toys in hand and deny that they are on the same quality level. If there were no official or unofficial bias and people had no idea who produced either figure, I would even assume they came from the same manufacturer because of the level of quality on each.

I think people just really need to experience figures first hand before coming to blanket statements on the subject, and that applies to people on both sides of the fence. FWIW, I was a huge hater of mp magnus in the preliminary stages, and threw down on one because I liked the transformation and the "clicky" noises it made in vids. That was it.

It's one of my all time favorite toys now.

 

^ Transformation wise Quakewave is over simplistic. Same rant I keep seeing about MP Grimlock. One of them certainly isn't an MP toy.

An oversized CHUG custom into the MP line just because it scales doesn't really mean you can shoehorn the word MP in front of it either.

Again, you can display whatever you want of course.

 

Saying Quakewave is garbage is not holding an opinion - it's being contrary and ignoring factual evidence. You don't have to like it, but to say it's garbage ignores reality and discredits any other opinions or arguments you're trying to make.

 

Have you held one before?

I mean look at it. Everything about it screams old MP engineering. Same thing goes for those not Dinobots. Size is the only thing those toys have in MP.

 

Sure, you really can if you wish; besides it being inherently insipid to tell other people they can't use words they find descriptive, Takara pretty much stripped "Masterpiece" of any REAL meaning that relates to quality when they released MP-05, and further compounded the problem with "Masterpiece" Rodimus "I Break If You Look at Me Wrong" Prime.

 

Over simplistic compared to what? Maybe the old MP offerings like MP megatron or something, but as far as the new post MP10 stuff goes, it's par for the course.

All of the post MP10 offerings are simplified transformations also. It was part of the change made when they reset the line to be in scale. I enjoy all those offerings, so QW works fine for me.

something is telling me you haven't held them or transformed them. you'd be surprised.

 

I can't help but think you're being biased.
Did you have an unhappy experience with 3Ps at some point to make you hate them so much such that your opinions of their products are overly skewed?

 

I avoided MP Rodimus. I agree with you on that.

I'm glad you brought up mp10.

MP04 and MP10 have pretty much the same transformation. The latter improved on cab but totally botched it on the leg transformation in truck mode. Probably just to say it's brand new.

If a 3P company made replacement parts on MP04 similar to another custom which corrected it quite nicely, I would probably be all over it. The perfect prime.

Is it that unbelievable that someone would actually hand me a Quakewave for a closer examination? No I don't own it.

Quakewave would be on par with MP10. old engineering.

Yes. I did. Quality wise, especially the joints, ratchets and other necessary transformation parts were that disappointing.

 

I've seen just as many people say they wished MP style figures were in CHUG scale.

Why do people want anything they want?

I want that recently revealed MP style Jazz to have a slightly different visor. Lots of people (who aren't me) don't want the CW Devastator because they'd rather it be smaller scale/have better individual bot elbows/be less hollow/all of the above. I want an MP style Astrotrain and Blitzwing more than any other characters in existence (and Chigurh didn't do it for me.)

People want/like what they like/want. The Transformers fandom is a churning, multi-headed beast covered with conflicting and vastly different desires, hopes, and demands. Unless it's my own money being spent, I try not to let other people's desires interfere with my own, and vice-versa.

 

Bro, I have been telling you this for years, you need to get yourself some nice 3rd party MMC reformatted products (NOT MP line), Quality and Look is definitely NOT garbage, trust me on this!!! Not sure it appeals to you look wise though... Only toys I have that I don't fear them falling on the ground. Great to mess around with or just as display.

As for Quakewave, the quality is superior to official newer MP products, and especially Soundwave. That said, look might not be for everyone here, but a big portion of fans loves it...

I am just curious, but which recent 3rd party toys do you own that are garbage in quality? Some of the FP / KFC / Xtransbot products haven't been up to par always, but many of the other companies are producing quality stuff. FT and BC are becoming the top 3rd party MP style makers, and soon will be joining MT and MMC. DX-9 is trying to, and they make quality product, just to me it doesn't look MP enough (I like the look of their Rodimus though). X-Transbot / KFC are also in the game, though not my favorite ones.

 

Mind if I sig this? It's great!

Also, Seali is ignore fodder. Save your fingertips.

 

Have to agree, that quote made me laugh.   Definitely sig-worthy.

As far as seali, I knew there was a reason why he was on my ignore list already. This is the same guy who writes "turd party" in every other of his posts (along with equally lame jokes about "brown man prices" or whatnot -- dude, get some new material, dem jokes are beyond old).

Even assuming that he's not trolling (this time) and has an axe to grind with 3rd party products, I think he owned TFC Hercules at one point and screwed up the connector joints by putting the shoulder block pieces of the Rage of Hercules set on to the knees instead, something which those pieces were not meant to do (at least on the first run release of the Herc bots; subsequent runs should be OK). I think he ended up selling the damn thing at a loss.

That being the case, his view of 3P products may be biased and colored by this one experience, this shouldn't be a mark against TFC since he broke the figure himself by using it in a way that it wasn't designed to in the first place. Even then, TFC is not representative of all 3P products. TFC is not FansToys just as neither are MakeToys or MMC or BadCube, either.

Basing your entire 3P experience on one product (that the owner himself fat-fingered and broke) and making blanket statements about all 3P products is pretty much painting with very broad brushstrokes. That's like swearing off all HasTak products (even Takara Masterpiece figures) because of how crappy TF Prime RID Deluxe Airachnid turned out.