KO Battle Tanker in the works

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by jerminator, Feb 11, 2012.

  1. Transbot90210

    Transbot90210 Banned

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    I'm going to let the cat out of the bag because this is getting out of control. Not only is this company knocking off 3rd party items but they are making a huge habit out of it. Not only is this company working on its 4th 3rd party knock off but there are people who paid a lot of money for original figures this company is putting out and they keep delaying that product with no explainations. I think it is a total load of crock when a ton of people have paid $120 for one and $240 for two figures LOOOONG ago that keep getting pushed back with little to no reasons given.

    Well I have a reason, this company cares more about knocking off other 3rd party groups high selling items vs finishing off their own high priced figures. Must be nice sitting on peoples money with no intention of finishing their products any time soon.

    This just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    Hey KO company, instead of stealing from FP and MT why not finish off your minibots????!!!???

    What happened to honour amongst thieves?
     
  2. Fishdirt

    Fishdirt Tin Toy Transformer

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    What Cat? Are you instantiating it's igear? Really really doubt that. The PE reflector is an example. The distribution is seperate not to mention Igear is a sales front and not a manufacturer (PP is Project PARTNERS) IOW there are different individuals or groups behind each different Igear release.


    I don't feel sorry for people who paid for the original KOs because I know a KO will come of the the KO for the quarter of the price or less. I know a rip off when I see a rip off and refuse to pay for it.
     
  3. nellie131

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    Gotta be shittin me. As useful as a price drop maybe from a customisers point of view it's not good for the people that put the hard work in at Maketoy to design these.
     
  4. Transbot90210

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    @Fishdirt. When you spend enough time on these boards you learn who's who and who knows what. Spend more time and you actually get to talk to the people REALLY in the know and if you are lucky enough they will put you in the loop. Thats all I will say about that.

    My issue with ripping off other 3rd party groups is a simple one. You knock off Hasbro, ya it sucks but truth is, who cares. We the collectors make up 10% and KO's only effect 10% of their sales group. Of that 10% I would be surprised if more than 10% buy KOs so KO's only effect about 1% of Hasbro's total potential sales.

    But Hasbro's 10% of collectors make up 100% of 3rd party consumers. These 3rd party groups need the sales of one item to succeed in order to move on to the next. KOing these items in turn can kill future releases. As in, worst case scenerio, if you KO enough 3rd party items then you can kill a 3rd party group (which it sounds like the unnamed groups is trying to do)

    Funny, there are more popular items than FP and MT items....looking at you TFC Hercules. Yet they are KOing FP and MT which we all know are affiliates of one another.


    So, when you jump on to these KO's of 3rd party items remember every KO purchase you make can and will kill future products like FP's upcoming Menasor and MT's The Fallen.
     
  5. deaculpa

    deaculpa Stand Alone Complex

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    These guys waste no time....
     
  6. Fishdirt

    Fishdirt Tin Toy Transformer

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    Have to respectfully disagree with everything you said.

    It's the pot calling the kettle black. As far as insiders...when an insider says that a company took a design Hasbro made and created a KO 3 years ago when hasbro admittedly says the project didn't begin until a little under two years ago exscuse me if I'm a bit skeptical.

    NOW onto who is doing these...you never let a cat out of a bag. You didn't give anything away, this where I don't get your intial post.

    Finally did it ever cross your mind that the reason these things are being made so quick is that the molds and rights to make the KOs were sold off to recoup costs? NONE of these third parties have stepped forward to piss and moan about having KOs of their IP KOs for a reason...it'd make them look bad that they sold of the reproduction schematics. Following the line of reason.

    Bottom line everything is conjecture and getting upset about things no one here knows anything solidly about just comes across as silly.
     
  7. Transbot90210

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    Tell me about it. I wonder if they will give FT enough time to put out MP Soundwave before they knock it off. lol
     
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  9. Scaleface

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    I wish they could KO something that's hard to get, like the Aerial Apendage team set. Battle Tanker is easy to buy.
     
  10. Transbot90210

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    No I did not name the group but if you don't know who is putting out MINIBOTS and has delayed their $120 figures froma long while now, then it isn;t important who they are anyway.

    In regards to your point. Possible, highly unlikely considering the same group that knocked off the Insecticons also started a vicious rumour that Fansproject went under and that they are selling remainign stock.


    Why would FP sell this KO group the moulds to their Insecticons and then have said company start a rumour that FP is dead and that these are not KOs but the real deal. You explain that to me and I will believe everythign you suggested.
     
  11. QmTablit

    QmTablit BotBot in the what, I said BotBot in the what

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    LOL Because they somehow undercut MakeToys? Battle Tankers have sold in good numbers already, and this KO isn't even available.
     
  12. Transbot90210

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    I don't get what is loco about knowing insiders? Is the thought so crazy that this, the biggest TF community IN THE WORLD has insiders from every group, official or 3rd party, on it?
     
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    Not cool. Hey I have a sailor mouth (used to be a sailor actually lol) but there are certain words that are not used in civilized company that being one of them even if one letter is blacked out.
     
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    One of the best swear words ever. Doesn't get used enough.
     
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    I understand this logic, but if this were the case, FP City Commander sales should've plummeted. I remember not too long ago, when BBTS got their restock... it sold pretty damn quickly. Yeah, TFSource currently has it now, but the price isn't letting it move as easily, and it's not because of the KOs. But, had I not bought mine through a member on here, I probably would've bought it from them.

    The logical thought being, if they sold the molds, X company will assume they were going out of business, or else why would the molds be sold?
     
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    Logical.
     
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    Was it ever proven that igear made the KO FP insecticons? I read through the other thread and didnt see any proof that it was igear. Just massive speculation and rumor mongering. Checking igear's website, I see no reference to the FP insecticons, and I would assume that a company who doesnt care that they used Hasbro's molds and are freely advertising it on their website would also not care if they had other 3rd party KO's on their website.

    Also, what company makes the KO FP City Commanders? I really dont think that is igear, and it seems more likely that that same company is doing these.
     
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    Sooooo... iGear made the KO Insecticons?
     
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    That is the story I heard.

    I like and support iGear. I want the Coneheads, I am buying the minibots and am interested in the PP line. I just think its a crap thing to steal from 3rd party and Garage Kit makers. I know the ethics are the same between KOing official or 3rd party but KOing official stuff will not run the risk of killing Habsro or Takara.

    I just hope this trend does not seriously effect us from getting new 3rd party products.
     
  20. DrillBIT

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    News to me.
    Whoever got the mold and not using it is stupid. Whoever got the original mold and made crappy quality ninjabots out of it is just pathetic.

    KO isn't anything new over there.
    There are even polls at ACToys forum on what product from which company should be KOed in the future. If you go through the all the replies you can see people are cheap enough to look for a KO of a 5 USD toy. If the original is in the 300 USD range, they want a 50USD KO. If it was 30 they want it KOed for 5, and 10 for 2 bucks, etc.
    Hey, not all the votes are from China. There are english speakers voted and posted their thoughts at ACToys in english supporting the act.

    The "reason" behind all these? They now claimed the 3rd Party are doing all the work only to fill the blanks, and KO companies are the people there who really help out the fans. Their attitude towards groups like FP, PE, MT, etc. is pure hate. First they claim their products are too expensive for average working class people, then they questioned about why they have to purchase the products online from overseas but not in their own country, based on the location of all those factories.
    With rumors and other small gestures from the KO groups everything is heating up fast.
    Not only the 3rd parties are getting hit, but also for those who wanted to get the real deal are suffering too.