X-Transbots MX-I Apollyon (MP Megatron)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by primushatesyou, Oct 25, 2014.

  1. malware5

    malware5 Well-Known Member

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    It's incredible how when people want something they'll try and find all means and ways of justifying reasons to buy this thing, when all the tell tale signs are as obvious as day and night....that this thing is more than likely going to be a dud...just like Kronos! My reasons:

    1. After my experience with that turd, Ollie, there is no way I'm entrusting a company with a not so impressive record.... so far, to handle a character of this prominence and magnitude, particularly considering it's their first time handling a figure of this size!

    2. It's only $150, that in itself is something to cause me concern, again a character of such prominence and engineering should cost more than that, corners are clearly being cut!

    3. In light of what Morg has said with them using the die-cast, my suspicion in point one is even more reinforced particularly given the quality of materials that was present on Ollie...if that's anything to go by...which is all I have to go by!

    It seems to me that Kronos has started a new wave of third party figures- "As long as it looks like it stepped out of the cartoon, I'll put it out there and people will buy even if it's quality is so bad it could make Kronos look like the new quakewave and it's engineering is so lazy it could make Kronos look as well engineered as MP laserbeak!" Terrible times in the MP world for those of us that actually cherish quality in our TF figures!

    And the strange thing is people are still buying which encourages this new wave of third parties to continue, wow! Fast forward three months from now i can't wait to see all these gullible people crying themselves to sleep or having buyer's remorse or living in denial by making all sorts of 'Fixes threads' and threads along the lines of; "Does your figure take a shit when I bend over kind of threads! " You know who you are!!:lol 


    Ahhh....finally, someone sensible!
     
  2. ComputronX

    ComputronX Till all are MP

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    Everybody is arguing about QC from XTB. I would say let's wait and see how it comes out.
    Didn't Unique Toys have similar issues at the beginning? And look at them now!
    So let's wait until the first figures will be released. Maybe they also improved a lot. Who knows?
     
  3. TheGame2K5

    TheGame2K5 Well-Known Member

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    I watch less for their opinions on the figures and more to see the engineering behind the transformation and overall look of the figures from different angles. Also those like Vangelus who chuck them against walls does help to see that its not a complete POS. LOL Id this point Id say im cautiously optimistic about this guy. Everything looks great but I do not have a product of theirs to go by. Also companies can improve over time. I didnt like a single thing about UT's Predaking but im all in on their Abominus.
     
  4. Prime Sinister

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    LMAO
     
  5. deaculpa

    deaculpa Stand Alone Complex

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  6. sharpnel

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    I don't normally preorder with 3rd parties anymore unless I have purchased a line that they have released and discount benefit on early preorder. I'm sold on the look but I will wait for the release to decide.
     
  7. Ionus

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    I watch the reviews more for seeing the figure than the opinion of the person. The camera usually tells me all I need to know.

    For honest Youtube reviews check out Anthony's Customs. He is a sponsored curmudgeon that will tell you a figure is a pos if it really is. He doesn't review many Transformers sadly.
     
  8. Honesty

    Honesty honestly, Honesty!

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    I don't know about all that.

    Call BBTS/CP and ask them how many returns of official TAKARA figures they have laying around, now to be used as spare parts (trust me, they will tell you they have a shit ton - just look at BBTS' ebay auctions of crap people sent back that they try to sell for deep discounts).

    Saying this company has a piss-poor track record because of mainly one release, is a little absurd. Comparing Ollie to Kronos is even more absurd. One was made by one guy, which people should have realized was bound to have issues from that fact alone, and then mentioning a company who has released other figue(s) that some people like a lot.

    I am not a fan of their Pipes/Stacks, and I don't own Ollie - but I wil be most definitely giving this company a chance on his figure - especially since it's Megatron .. Come on now. Especially since it's "only" $150.00 .. I mean why not? Get from a non-TFS type of store and any issues will probably be covered by your retailer anyway ... So what's the issue exactly going on here?

    People (like myself) are willing to spend $200.00 on another damn MP-11 mold of Skywarp, which may itself come with a slew of issues .. We don't know yet. Maybe the mold is degraded? Maybe we'll end up with duds? Retailers may be able to help us out, but good luck contacting Hasbro Asia for replacement parts. At least some 3rd party groups here send out parts themselves/have a presence on the boards.

    This whole shit is being blown way out of proportion. So here's the bottom line:

    Pre-order a Pretty Damn good-looking Masterpice Megatron for $150.00 and accept that anything on this Earth may have a flaw or come out wrong, or um... Don't.

    To keep ragging on the company/complaining about QC is meaningless at this point.
     
  9. Genetic

    Genetic Morg Than Meets the Eye

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    Hooboy a bit of a can of worms my opinion has opened here. Opinion being the key word.

    How bad is it that I got an email from a customer saying that his item has a problem, but it's okay beccause he can take a figure apart and come up with a manual fix himself. On a $400 item! Let's forget collecting for a minute - if someone bought a PS4 or Xbox One and discovered they couldn't charge the controller, they'd take it back right? They wouldn't think, "Hell it's okay I'll just dismantle this and fix it myself" but yet we do that with these toys.

    Why do we accept this? I'm sorry if my opinion here has upset people and if you all think I have an axe to grind or whatever then you've every right to your opinion too. I'm just tired of bad products and I'm not facillitating it anymore. I'm not suggesting anyone should follow suit or that my opinion is fact, just that I'm not willing to do it from here on. If that means I only stock official product then so be it.


    I listed the ship date because most people who wanted this asked about the ship date being definite for December as they wanted it for Christmas. Ship dates have no relevance usually.

    Indeed Quakewave did use die cast and I did clarify regarding stress testing in a later post :) 

    As for the orange plugs, I said more than once that the orange plug is a CGI render and may not be the final product; also that I had no idea if they would be removable or not. I posted images there and I posted the law; those are the facts I have to go on and I can't really form a solid opinion based on drawings :D 


    Nope no vendetta. I've posted previously that I have been a big fan of KFC and XTB's products but felt continuously let down. I've actually defended them massively in the past as Stax is one of my favourite TFs personally but it had quality issues in a big way. XTB and KFC have already been dropped by the UK's biggest TF retailer but after Tempest I was very much on the fence about carrying on.

    I work full time in a very depressing yet well paid job so the website is simply an outlet for me to have something positive to do. Provided it breaks even it doesn't need to make any profit whatsoever. The site serves a very specific purpose which I don't tend to discuss but it's purpose isn't to make me rich.


    Thank you. I'm not actually still selling it, it's been taken off the site. I've said I'll provide it to customers who have already ordered and wish to take the chance (so far only one person) and I've said I'll provide it to any of my customers who cancelled if they decide upon release it's a great product and they can't get it elsewhere.

    Therefore I'm stocking one unit at the moment.

    As I said in the UK thread, this is my gut feeling and my opinion. Maybe I am being too cautious and if I'm wrong my money has been put where my mouth is to ensure my customers don't miss out.



    With Stax and Krank many customers have said about the chrome turning green or peeling off. Personally, mine is fine. The hips were loose on both of those, the arms were loose and the issues were...minor I guess. However, you've just summed up what is in my head exactly - the arms pop off, the plastic is cheap and feels like it'll break, things are fixable...but why should we have to fix $50-$150 items straight out of the box?



    After Scoria, I didn't list preorders for Sever and still haven't. I sent an email to everyone who had ordered Scoria and Soar that if Soar had as many issues as Scoria then I would stop stocking FT. Therefore if they wanted to preorder Sever elsewhere I was giving them advance warning to do so. Again, this business is a hobby for me and I can totally take or leave third party products.


    Nail on head. Is a reviewer going to tell you a product is crap and cut off his lucrative supply of free toys? Probably not.



    I find myself in this catagory a lot. I've been pretty disappointed with certain releases (not naming products as I seem to have caused enough trouble already) and I vow off them but the next thing I know I'm justifying to myself buying the next release.
     
  10. ryu hayabusha

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    this megatron will be glorious!!!
     
  11. divinecomedy

    divinecomedy Board Certified Fans Trollar

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    @Genetic. I totally agree with your opinion about expensive items requiring a fix being ridiculous. As I've said many times though, the fandom is filled to the brim with people who love RiD (Robots in Distress). Can't find a damsel? A robot will do and it's only 400!!!
     
  12. Curium

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    Thanks, I would have had no clue how to find the UK thread either, just mapatel asked first. Reading the posts (just giving him the benefit of the doubt), the only thing that is news to me is the "middleman" part. Everything else I either knew or is of no consequence to me. I just decided that at the price the potential reward was enough to take the risk.

    Ace's is the best price I've seen at $135 shipped in the US. Assuming you are in the US based on your sig.
     
  13. Hoffman

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    Buying any 3rd party figure comes with implied risk. Don't want to take that risk, don't buy it. But don't shit on people who are willing to.

    Sometimes people take educated risks when they buy something. It doesn't make them stupid. It just means that the cost is not at a point where it's a big deal if it's not perfect.

    $150 may be a lot to some people, and not worth potentially "throwing away". To some people that $150 is not that big a deal.

    Personally, that $150 is worth owning a figure that might be great. At worst, I'll have a substandard figure that still fills a big whole in my collection, if only temporarily.

    Plus, I have the option to cancel my order. If it does indeed to turn out to be outside my realm of acceptability from reviews, I can cancel, no harm no foul.
     
  14. Shiro1

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    You are of course entitled to your opinion, however I will point out that you and one other early in the Ollie thread, are literally the only two in that entire thread that bought it and call it a POS. The VAST majority of posters either a) love it b) love it after modifications c) find it decent enough but overpriced.

    That's a very fair statement and thank you for clarifying. I respect your consistency with Sever. It's refreshing to see someone hold FT to the same standards they apply to XTB, even if I don't necessarily agree. :thumb 

    Maybe I am more forgiving than others. I personally am just thankful to see these amazing figures coming out at all. For 30 years, all we had were g1 toys which everyone agrees are somewhat....lacking. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine anyone would ever re-engineer these characters to this level. So it gets kind of tiring seeing hyperbolic statements like "POS". Are they overpriced? Probably. Should they be flawless because of the price? That would be nice, but I've seen many high priced toys and rarely are they flawless. I appreciate the efforts of companies like XTB, FT, and even Daca (though I didn't care for Kronos' alt mode design and ultimately passed).
     
  15. Joevette8

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    I am tempted to get this guy just cause i love megatron, i kind of want to see a review though, even of a test shot, to push me over the edge.

    Hopefully that happens in the next few weeks.
     
  16. Yeled

    Yeled Grimlock is King

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    I didn't ask about this product specifically but in an email conversation I had with Sidecutter he said he was behind in getting some of his new listings up. He was at TFCon and is now playing catch up. I know he plans to list MP-11SW and I suspect he'll sell this as well.
     
  17. malware5

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    Well I do, it's simple I own Ollie, that's why, and boy, does that thing feel cheap. The majority of the people defending that thing all own Kronos so no surprise there, dude! But like I said, they'd literally buy shit in a box if they were told it was masterpiece! Secondly, it's their first figure of this size and from what I've experienced with their Ollie, the signs don't look too good for them. And at $150 to me...seems too good to be true, and in my experience if something is usually too good to be true usually it is too good to be true! Just my two cents!



    You did nothing wrong Genetic, you just spoke your mind but these days if it goes against the grain or it's negative in some way then you're a troll.....that's the way it works these days, god forbid anyone speaks the truth or their suspicions if it's negative...so much for freedom of speech!

    Amen, preach on, brother!

    And I still do, and how people are so forgiving of it is exactly what I'm talking about and what Genetic is also stating as well. And it's causing third parties to realize they can get away with murder, but hey, it's your cash you're entitled to do what you want with your money, it is your money after all!

    It's not hyperbolic, I genuinely think it is a POS and I've experienced it first hand to back my claim! And, no, I don't expect it to be flawless but I expect it to be functional, to be able to transform at least, and mine couldn't even do that and these are the kinds of things people find acceptable in third party products which is what I find absolutely ridiculous!
     
  18. Shiro1

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    Did it ever occur to you to just exchange it? Maybe your particular one is especially bad, but that doesn't mean that they all are or that XTB makes junk.
     
  19. Vanessa

    Vanessa G1 Bonecrusher's #1 fangirl

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    Well speaking personally, I have been waiting for a MP Megatron V2 for a long while, and Apollyon looked OK from the initial pics. So I pre-ordered one from Masterforce (Genetic), but since hearing his concerns I cancelled my PO, and am sitting this one out to see what the figure is like in hand. And if it turns out to be great, I will not expect Genetic to supply me with a figure at a potential loss to him.
    I applaud his openness, and won't be penalising him for it.
    Genetic is a top guy in my opinion!
     
  20. Ryan F

    Ryan F Transform and Roll Out!

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    I completely agree that X-Transbots and KFC have made some utterly terrible toys in the past. I know some people have been happy with this company, but let's face it, you have to admit their reputation is a bit dodgy round these parts. Not for nothing did KFC contemplate changing their name.

    Buying a 3P toy can be a bit of a lottery. Fans Toys were riding high after Quakewave, but found Scoria harder-going. Even the all-conquering Fansproject have suffered from some floppy figures recently.

    I've been burnt a few times and have learnt my lesson. I love the look of Guttur, and the Shura King Dinobot combiner. But I'm not going to rush into pre-orders as they are both new companies and they will live or die by their QC.

    This Megatron, to me, looks great. If this toy were being made by any other company, I'd have no hesitation pre-ordering.

    I can totally understand people's reticence to pull the trigger on this guy, it's a big gamble. Equally, I sympathise with those who defend the figure - after all, it looks lovely.

    In an ideal world, this figure will kick ass, everyone will rave about it, and those on the fence (like me) will take the plunge. Everybody's happy.

    But there's an understandable trepidation that this figure may not cut the mustard. in that case, this thread will split into two hyperbolic camps - half staunchly defending and half naysaying. It always happens. But at least when those arguments start, people will have the figure in hand, and some personal experience and facts to back up their arguments.

    Until then, all we can do it wait. But without anyone having had this toy in hand yet, I find it faintly ridiculous we already have a camp of white knighters and on the other side, the "yeah, this will be a POS" brigade.

    Thank heavens for this board's resident fence-sitters and people of reason - without you, all hope would be lost.