ZetaToys Kronos (Superion/Aerialbots)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by daimchoc, Oct 28, 2016.

  1. Tontus314

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    I'd rather get 2 guns instead of 2 heads. The jet doesn't look right with only 1 wing fully armed.
     
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  2. theosteve

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    Sorry, in case people were confused by my lousy phone message, I was saying I hope they aren’t changing the head, Not asserting that they weren’t. They may well be doing so, and I have no doubt there is always demand for more toon. But if toon is the only option, I’ll pass.
     
  3. mcart

    mcart I'm not fat, it's Prime Armor

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    I think the option would be best, I'm honestly not sure which look I'd prefer and I think that some will look better with toy heads and others with cartoon heads so if I had the choice, I'd mix and match!
     
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    Okay, looking for a hard answer here:

    Are they re-using the thigh fillers again, a la Constructor?

    I could have (barely) lived with it (the concept, not the toy itself) on Devastator because you could be extra weaselly and just say it was an "homage" to the G1 toy, but for any other combiner team this seems like extreme lazysauce to me.

    When the grey-scale reveals came out 3 months ago, everyone was speculating that they WOULD use the thigh pieces, if only to keep Supes in scale with Devy, but looking at the most recent colorized photos, those actually DO look like Silverbolt's thighs/shins at the top of the Superion knee.

    Cuz here's the thing: No parts forming thigh piece = Grail. Partsforming thigh piece = lazy piece of crap I wont put on my shelves.

    Can anyone supply a concrete answer, perhaps even site a source (all of you "I read it on so-and-so's message board" or " I know a guy who said he knows a guy who said some stuff" NEED NOT APPLY KKTHXBAI).

    Also, am I a G1 Rageaholic just because I think the toys should have been released in the same order the associated teams premiered on the show?

    Lolz.
     
  5. Rasmotron

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    Okay, not a "Postcount" baby, but too twitchy to look for the "edit" button, so heres my follow-on question:

    Any pics/speculation on the inclusion and PROPER POSITIONING of Superion's forearm cannon?
     
  6. Orion2703

    Orion2703 Ultimate Hunter TFW2005 Supporter

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    It most definitely has a thigh piece, in one of the side on pics of sups you can see silverbolts legs folded up behind the bot.

    This is a good thing, and the thigh piece is what gives constructor it' size, stability and crazy poseability.

    It's the same for their bruticus too, so it shouldn't come as a shock.

    If you can't accept that these are not the sets for you. But you're missing out....:p 
     
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    Sorry have to disagree with you. The parts forming thighs on Constructor was a stroke of 'genius' and gave him some incredible range of articulation and solidity.
     
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    If you're a G1 rageaholic you should be fine with partsforming...
     
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  9. ChromeMagnus

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    So what's the word on Fireflight?
     
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    The thighs and crotch have pieces that wrap around silverbolts torso and attach
     
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    Parts-forming has ALWAYS been a part of Transformers toys going all the way back to G1. Prime’s fists were parts formed, all the seeker fists, fists on Trailbreaker, Sunstreaker, Hoist, etc. ANd ALL the Scramble City combiners, like G1 Superion, required you to add feet, fists, chest panels, in order to build the combined mode bot. As others have said, using “parts-formed” thighs to add stability to the combined mode and allow for a more G1-looking gestalt is completely in-line with how they used to do it, and is an ingenious way to do it.

    If anything, you’re being truer to G1 by embracing the parts-forming, especially on a combined!

    The main reason the majority of the 3P combiners out there are unstable in combined mode is because of the avoidance of using parts-forming. Something always suffers — be it robot or alternate mode — to accommodate the extra parts. Make them a separate add-on and you can better make the bot and alt modes truer to source, and have a combiner that does the same.

    As far as I’m concerned, bring on the fake thighs, if it gets me a massively well-built and stable Superion! Might not make it onto your shelf, but he’ll be on mine!
     
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    Much as I'd love it not to be the case, I agree wholeheartedly with the partsforming. If there were some way to avoid it, great, but having seen the figures that do avoid it and you're right, stability is an issue.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, if they all had toy heads I would still get them. I was just commenting on what the majority has asked for. Mine will be in combined mode so if the individual bots had Miley Cyrus heads I would still be happy lol

     
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    I don't believe we will see silverbolt before April. Hope I'm wrong
     
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    I'm usually a fierce anti-partforming person (or FAPPER... wait, no...) but even I've made peace with combiner kibble.

    And if you're going to kibble hands, feet & chest plate, you might as well kibble the hips. If combiner wars proved anything it's that there's no really satisfying way to work the combined mode's hips and thighs into a torso bot. It always looks wrong or falls down or both. I say bring on the fake hips!
     
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    My aunt has a fake hip and none of the guys complain
     
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  17. Scowly Prowl

    Scowly Prowl Still calculating variables...

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    You're going to need to have partsformed components with the limbs being designed the way they are. You aren't going to hide a hand or a foot in a weapon pod, and CW has demonstrated that it necessary. I cannot see a larger toy getting away with anything less than a fair bit of parts assistance that aren't a component of each individual bot. Also, the bigger the toy, the more reinforcement any of its load bearing components will need to be.
     
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    Partsformed hips/thighs/knees is the only way I will buy a combiner now. It gives me the scale I want and amazing stability and posability that can't be achieved with an "all-in-one" transformation.
     
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    But does it partsform ;p ?
     
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    ZB-02's head is reasonably close to his cartoon iteration; certainly close enough that people can overlook it. Cartoon Fireflight, on the other hand, has a FACE, not a facePLATE. Apples to oranges.
     

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