You are in charge of the movie

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Rodimus, May 13, 2007.

  1. Rodimus

    Rodimus The Prime Producer

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    I'm very curious so I'm going to ask a simple question that you may answer with a simple "yes" or "no" if you would like. I am hypothetically putting you in charge of the movie. Let's say you just got the rights to the Transformers and are now deciding how the designs should look. If you were making the designs, is this (the designs you got) the designs you would create?

    My personal answer is simply no. I would have went more the direction of the Alternators and added a few hydrolics here and there for movements sake, with many of those hydrolic pumps hidden behind the armor or car parts that take up the form of the Transformer.

    I would have went the Alternator style route.

    How about you guys? IF you had to make the movie is the designs we got what you would have chosen to make?
     
  2. Poho

    Poho That's MISTER Poho to you

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    if someone came to me and said "here, Poho, make the Transformers Movie." i would have said "no". because, the only way that i could perceive transformers would have looked ridiculous to me on screen, and would therefore ruin the movie, and possibly the franchise.

    there is no way i would have been able to come up with the purely amazing genius that ILM has. IMHO, there is no other way the movie could have worked if they hadn't done it the way they are doing it.
     
  3. NothingHead

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    i'd have gotten WETA to handle all the design work. i've been generally dissatisfied with ilm's track record. they wouldn't be my choice for an effects-driven film.
     
  4. Harlequin Daniel

    Harlequin Daniel Captain Grumpy

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    I'd have said to the Lucasarts boys:
    Here are the iconic characters. I want them to look as if they could exist in the real world, but have some link to the iconic character design. Go mad guys.

    I'd have hired Furman and Yee as consultants. And as lead writer someone like umm... Russel T. Davies from Doctor Who maybe.

    As a basic plot:
    A Million odd years ago, the most evil being from the planet Cybertron tried to lead a revolution. He failed. He was imprisioned on an "uninhabited" world. That was Earth.

    Later, a satellite from Earth is discovered and the Autobots realise that Earth is now inhabited. And the criminal is posing a threat, because his "sleeper agents" have stolen a ship and are heading to earth.

    Megatron is "quasi-active" and helping humanity become a space power, simply so he can contact his agents.
     
  5. Poho

    Poho That's MISTER Poho to you

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    why the hell not? they practically invented special effects with Star Wars. i use the term 'practically invented' loosely.
     
  6. Rodimus

    Rodimus The Prime Producer

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    IMHO I don't think we can make that call though because we've never seen it tried any other way. So we really couldn't say if it would look "ridiculous" on screen.

    IMO, I think all the kibble they made actually doesn't look that great or work like they say it's supposed to and therefor undermines their reasoning behind it. Because it just makes the Transformations less mechanicle and harder to make sense of what piece is going where during the Transformation. I can't help but think we'll be seeing a "Batmobile" type transformation like in the first Batman movies of 1989 or the early 90s where it all just magically slides on over.

    But I do understand the arguements about making it look good in live action on the big screen. That's why hydrolics and joints are extremely important when creating the designs.

    But seriously, I only just want to know what people's personal tastes are and what they would make if they were doing it.

    I personally would not have made them all look like monsters. I think that the audience will become disconnected to the characters behind them because they look so scary and remote. I feel that Transformers has always been about the characters and that these designs just seem to steal from the characters themselves in the area of relating to a human audience that needs to feel for them.

    But again, I just want to know what peoples tastes are and what they're creative minds would come up with if they were creating the Transformers. I am not looking for some political styled statement or debate about whether or not you support or don't support the designs as they currently stand. Remember, we are taking a time trip back 4 years ago... It's 2003 and you just aquired the rights to the movie. You must now make a TRANSFORMERS movie you think can reach a whole audience out there and sell the brand. At this point, nothing is currently known about a Transformers Live Action movie because it has NEVER been done ever before in history.
     
  7. NIDARAM12

    NIDARAM12 Robot art guy

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    Honestly I would make them all totally crazy and "artist interpreted" like this (in progress) pic. I seriously think I would've come up with something close to what the designers did, since I just like making wierd and unique robots :p 

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  8. turk128

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    I would give it to the Japanese mega-studio, Toho, to do it. Tell them to reference as much Biblical content as they could possibly cram into the script. Have Spike be the representative of otaku culture. Require the Transformers to have the majority of the dialogue and have them speak about philisophocal subjects. And, most importantly, have the plot be apocalyptic themed. This will guarantee a critical success no mater how poorly executed it will be, win win situation.

    BTW that was my sarcastic response. Now for what I would have loved to see:

    Give the franchise to Kerry Conran (Sky Captain director), have the plot set in 1930s-1950s. Have an opening montage for the movie showing when the Transformers land on Earth right before WWII, Decepticons join forces with the Axis powers (becoming the leaders and generals), Autobots join with the Allies (becoming scientists and advisers).

    Advance to two decades later, world is still at war but it has become a cold war (with the inclusion of the Russians to the Axis powers), Transformers are more-or-less part of the world, then have the second wave of Transformers migration land rekindling the war as everyone rush to acquire the new TF.

    Design wise, the key word would be: steampunk. TF are limited to the alien alloys they brought with them on the migration so they had to implement local technology and materials to fix or modify in any way. They also help advance the local technology in the process. Most probably will piss off G1 or whatever deviant of Transformers fan.

    So you basically have Decepticons and Autobots each with their own vast army participating in a World War in every aspect, with vast nations behind them. Spies using Real Gear spy tools, zeppelins everywhere used with flying TF (conserve fuel), simple mechs piloted by humans, the possibilites are endless.
     
  9. Valkysas

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    I'd do it just how Bay is doing it. Only thing I might change is the length. I'd make it absurdly long. like, five hours or something. because once I see those bots on screen, I'm not gonna want the movie to end.
     
  10. Sso02V

    Sso02V Injector Has a Posse

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    Damn, that's some pretty impressive stuff there. Checking out your DA now.
     
  11. Rufus Prime

    Rufus Prime The Toy Maker

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    Gee, that is an interesting question. One that many have answered without being questioned in advance. Now that I am posed with the question, I actually have to think about it.

    I for one am more impresed by the designs everyday. At first I was very sceptical about them. Then I took a step back and thaught about translating an 80's cartoon (I don't too often count the verious series since then) and bring it into our time and into REAL life. Being that the begins of the transformers has been interepreted often as a very casual introduction to earth, the idea to introduce the protoforms is nice. I am not sure what comics might have tackled this subject in a more realistic matter, of if the protoforms (as we see them in the movie) are part of the lore that already has been established. It just makes sence that things would be delt with more as a natural desaster than a bunch of anime kids stumbleing on a giant robot and be very welcoming.

    Back on the subject..

    I don't think I would have made them so crazy. And my film would have suffered for it. The designs are outragous.

    Ironhide is going to ROCK!!!!
     
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    Because I could never come up with these designs. They are truly inspirational and awe-inspiring.
     
  13. Dark_Convoy

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    I might actually draw up some designs in the morning. I'm pretty happy with what we are getting, but I, personally probably would have done it differently.

    For now, as far as the story:

    Backstory:


    The transformers are mechanical beings who's home world was ravaged by eons of war. Tens of thousands years ago many of them made a mass exodus from their dead husk of a planet to find new homes out among the stars.

    Megatron, under stealth followed the ship carrying his mortal enemy Optimus Prime who had made his way along with his crew to Earth.

    In the ensuing space battle, both ships fell into earth's atmosphere, breaking up into pieces along the way, only a few robots survived and were scattered around the world.

    The Movie

    Humans:

    We would first meet young Spike (or sam or whatever) Witwicky on the day his dad brings home a beat up old Camaro, he will be leaving for college at the end of summer.

    We learn his mother passed away when he was very young and his father raised him the best he could.

    Chip Chase is a professor at a local university who is studying odd pieces of metal that appear to be composed of cells under microscopic inspection, he research draws the attention of a government agent who only goes by "Mr. Jones" who is questioning him, and wants the samples.

    Mr Jones is somewhat like a "X-Files" type investigator, he knows about the transformers and has been in contact with several Decepticons, the US government has provided them with fuel in return for keeping their selves out of the public eye.

    The Autoobots:


    Have been hiding in various forms on earth for thousands of years, they are the stuff of legond, tales passed on by generations of humans about shape shifting giants hiding among us.

    They have kept a strict code of radio silence and stealth, passing on information to one another via secret codes, only meeting in small groups away from prying eyes.

    Bumblebee (last known to be disguised as a mid 70's model camaro): Was severely injured in an encounter with a Decepticon sometime in the mid to late 1970's he and cliffjumper (a 1968 mustang) took cover in a Junkyard where they hid in vehicle mode, Bumblebee went into stasis lock and eventually ended up in a used car lot years later. The other Autobots have been looking for him but have no way to pick him out among normal earth cars because he's in stasis.

    Cliffjumper had promised to come back for Bumblebee but was himself MIA for several years, he was found on the edge of death by the other Autobots under piles of scrap metal in the same junkyard Bumblebee had hid in, he hold himself responsible for BB's disappearence, and fears he is dead.

    Jazz: Jazz has been studying human culture almost as long as there have been humans, currently disguised as a Mercedes-Benz SLR, he allowed himself to be purchased as a car to continue his studies.

    Ironhide: Currently disguised as a beat-up old 1950's era pick-up truck, Ironhide hates all this sneaking around. This attitude has gotten him in trouble and there is more than one grainy photograph of him in robot form floating around conspiracy web-sites. He is old as dirt and tough as nails and longs for the days when he can feel a decepticon's faceplate crunch on his knuckles.

    Wheeljack: Disguised as a 1970 Plymouth barracuda, is a weapons specialist, medic and all around mad scientist, often experimenting on himself he is always finding new fuel sources for the Autobots while trying no to draw too much attention from the Humans.

    Optimus Prime: Disguised as a semi truck, scours the highways and byways on the North-American continent looking for other Autobots, the matrix he carries within himself allows him to pick up on the unique enegery signature of a transformer, he is often accompanied by Ironhide.

    He is the leader of the Autobots, and longs for the day when he can re-unite his forces and find a way to head back out to the stars, but for now he is content with his new home, even if he has to remain under cover.

    Decepticons:

    Thundercracker and Skywarp: Immense robots disguised as an F-154 and an F-15 respectively. They have ties to the human government in the united states and are content with the deal made with them, fuel in exchange for secrecy. They soar the skies in jet form keeping a watchful eye out for fellow decepticons, and keeping many of the smaller robots in line if they break cover, and systematically eliminating any autobot who may accidentally reveal their selves.

    Soundwave: Currently disguised as a news van, he constantly scours the airwaves for any information that might be useful, the van is manned by four smaller robots who act as his lackeys, Ravage, Rumble, Laser Beak and Frenzy. Any of them can act as his eyes and ears on recon missions, Rumble and Frenzy are human sized robots that can use a holographic generator built into their bodies to disguise their selves as humans. Ravage and Laser Beak transform into integrated parts of the news van and can be unleased as a robotic cougar and buzzard.

    Soundwave has been scouring the earth for the decepticon's missing leader Megatron, who he feels would be unhappy with the dealings with the human government.

    Starscream: Currently an F-22 raptor, he despises the humans but dares not blow his cover, he was once captured by them back in the 1940's when he was in a weakened condition after waking from stasis under a volcanic mountain and he knows that they have weapons that are effective against transformers, that hasn't stopped him from causing the occasional havoc and destruction before fleeing off to the shadows to hide again.

    He feels he is the leader of the decepticons on earth and that someday when the time is right he will amass his forces and declair all out war on mankind and make them his slaves.

    Megatron: Missing for thousands years only to be found in deep stasis under area 51 by soundwave , he is pissed that the decepticons have been cowering in fear of these insects and assembles the Decepticons to declare all out war on the humans, which of course draws the attention of the autobots, who have to blow their cover in order to stop them.

    The Storyline: (or outline of it)

    Spike has received his car from his father, a yellow camaro with black racing stripes, he names it Bumblebee nad even gives it custom plates that read "BLM MEE", unkown to him, the car is a stasis locked autobot.

    When Spike is driving along a lonely country highway one night his car is attacked by a fighter jet.

    The autobots are able to convert the chemical energy in gasoline into a form they can use to power their self, and before long Bumblebee's self repair system is able to bring him back online.

    He had realized how much time has passed and sends out a short signal burst to try and let the other autobots know his whereabouts. The signal was picked up by Soundwave and Skywarp went to intercept and destroy Bumblebee.

    Bumblebee reveals himself to Spike by taking over the controls of his car form before squeeling to a stop under an overpass and telling him to get out as Skywarp strafes them from above, Spike gets out just in time to see his car convert into a 15 foot tall robot who manages to shoot the Jet out of the sky.

    Meanwhile, we meet Mr. Jones as he is interrogating Chip Chase about the odd materials he has published a paper on, it's late at night and Mr. Jones had come to Chip's house to threaten him into turing over the sample.

    In the middle of the interrogation Mr. Jones receives a cell phone call and has to leave immediately.

    We find Mr. Jones arriving at a smoldering crater in the gound surrounded by several military types, all weapons trained on the hole, it's Skywarp and he's battered, this is where we learn of the government's dealings with the Decepticons.

    Later Bumblebee, with spike in tow, manages to find Cliffjumer, who is happy to see him alive, but is pissed that he let a human know about the transformers. This is where we learn bumblebee's back story.

    Somewhere around this time, we see news reports about destroyed factories, and we mee Starscream and learn about his motivations, he has an altercation with soundwave, who was merely trying to report to him about the autobot signal that had been picked up, Starscream rants and raves about how he is sick of bowing down to the human government and so on.

    Soundwave is disillusioned by this whole ordeal and decides to take a tip on some human communications he had been evesdropping on that he tnikns may lead him to Megatron.

    Meanwhile, Skywarp has been put into custody by the humans as he was not able to fight bak in his weakened state and tells time that someday the Decepticons will rule this planet, to which his captors respond with a high voltage electrical shock that looks to be very painful to him.

    Cutting back to Cliffjumper bumblebee and Spike, Cliffjumper has decided that Spike has already seen too much and that he should stay with them. They decide to go visit Wheeljack, who has built a lab out in the middle of the dessert underneath what appears to be an abandoned old gas station.

    This is where we learn the back story of the transformers, and see the grainy pictures of ironhide on internet websites, we also learn the autobots keep in touch with each-other by sending cryptic message on internet message boards.

    Right around this time Soundwave has his minions infiltrate area 51 and finds Megatron, he is able to see what is going on through Frenzy and Rumble's eyes who snuck in and killed a few of the workers, and disguised their selves as them.

    They manage to bring Megatron back on line and he rains total fury down upon the entire complex, killing everyone and totally destroying it.

    News spreads fast about the explosion in the desert, and the Autobots go to investagate, this is where we meet Jazz, who was parked outside a fancy golf course at the edge of the dessert, the other autobots pull up behind him, and he takes off, we see security camera footage of them all leaving together.

    When they arrive at the destroyed base it's swarming with military, but off in the distance they see a red semi and an old beat-up pickup truck parked off of the side of the road.

    We meet Optimus Prime and Ironhide, who have already figured this was the work of the decepticons, but can't figure out why they would blow their cover.

    They are attacked by Starscream and Thundercracker, and a high battle ensues which results in drawing the attention to the military.

    The autobots decide to retreat.

    After the autobots are gone, Megatron shows up with soundwave and his minions and they proceed to lay waste to all of the military at the base.

    Optimus Prime can sense Megatron's prescience becasue of the matrix, and they return to the base only to find it deserted and all the troops dead.

    Optimus breaks radio silence on purpose to draw Megatron's attention. We cut to megatron who is beating the living shit out of Starscream and Thundercracker for "cowering to insects"

    Just then Optimus's voice comes over a com-line, he's calling megatron out, at this point, all hell breaks loose... TOTAL ROBOT MEYHEM!!!
     
  14. Chaos Prime

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    Honestly. All I would really change would be those ridiculous character designs. I mean the 3d modeling, and the materials look fantastic. But the actual designs. Are just sad.
    Optimus Prime, I can tell who he is immediatley. And he's the only character who they screwed up the least. But if I were looking at the rest for the first time, I wouldn't know who they were. The designs have no style. They're just exoskeletons with a few shreds of body armer thrown on. Whatever...It's just a stupid movie...
     
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    Sorry, but we've already had several other attempts at live action transforming robots that have looked very different to these and still quite believable given their limited budget.

    If you like the movie designs, fine, but you're kidding yourself if you think it's the only way they could work.

    I would have gone with an Alternators aesthetic too, but with some of the movie aesthetic too "around the edges" if you know what I mean, to help smooth out the bot modes. I would have gone with some limited amount of morphing(as the movie does too), made Starscream a smaller jet. I would have had Mass shifting in the sequel with Soundwave, fuck the "Naysayers" ,but I would have made a plot point about it.

    The line up I would have gone with for the Autobots is:

    Prime
    Jazz(same as he is in the current movie, it's perfect)
    Ironhide(big red van)
    Ratchet(white ambulence)
    Bumblebee(any number of stylish small cars)
    Wheeljack(some muscle car)

    Deceps:

    Megatron(Abrams tank)
    Starscream(F-16)
    Soundwave(Communications truck in the first movie, mostly in background but in the big fights)
    Shockwave(flak cannon)
    Bludgeon(Cybertronian Tank/Pretender, wears armour, can transfer his conscious into human form)
    Astrotrain(old style choo-choo, "cybertronian" train shuttle).

    I would have Starscream be the big internal rival to Megatron, but slowly build up reasons for Shockwave and Bludgeon to try and take the lead themselves for possible sequels.
     
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    See, now this is overstating things just a little. This kind of talk just gets on the nerves of people who are beaten down for saying they dislike the designs. Why is one so acceptable and no the other. This isn't even the topic to talk about that in - there are countless other topics where people have nothing but praise. Why was it necessary or appropriate?

    I fail to see how random parts characters like Megatron and ape-shaped Starscream are really that "awe-inspiring". Maybe they're cool, maybe some people just think they're cool, but don't you think you're exaggerating just a little? The general aesthetic is quite similiar to many previous hollywood attempts at robots. They're not necessarily that revolutionary. Robots have been designed in so many shapes and forms it's very hard to be.

    What I'm saying is that if they were doing the best they could, there probably wouldn't be as many upset people. That's why when you say stuff like this, it can upset people more.
    I find it more than a bit unfair that if anyone is over the top complaining they're generally abused, but if you're over the top positive it's a-okay, all because of the word "Negativity". I don't like that opinions are sectioned off like that, they're designs, not people, like or hate doesn't make that kind of difference. Negative towards what you feel is negative, positive towards what you feel is positive. To do things any other way would be "Negative".

    There really has to be some compromise from both parties here, but I only currently see it on one, and only because it's forced.
     
  17. turk128

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    The irony here is that you are derailing this thread. This thread isn't about complaining about others perceived bitching. This thread isn't about bitching about how horrible you think the designs are. This thread is about what YOU would do if you had control. Nothing more nothing less.

    By taking this route you're no better than the people you perceive to be wrong. And, yes, I fully acknowledge the irony in the fact that I'm also derailing this thread by calling you out on it.
     
  18. jnmx2000

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    simply no

    expanded answer, i would get rid of the scrap metal gears and pistons look, and gone with solid limbs and torso (kind of like the figures, but it'd be live action and look a 1000 times better). i would go for a more human porportioned look to the bodies instead of the alien insect like look they are going for now for the decpiticons. for the heads i would have done one of two things, gone with a similar look they are now, but more huminoid and have little metal panels make up the faces (sort of like primes) that shifted and moved for expression (probably about a hundered give or take to make up a face) and something similar with the mouth (unlike primes, have it more curved and natural looking) and no teeth. maybe put some sort of soft blue light that glowed through the cracks of the panels in the faces or red for the decepticons. or i would have gone with a silver surfer flixable metal look that made up the faces. and only 2 eyes, not four for both head designs. but these are changes to bots that i think would need changing. But i'd probably stick with the movie designs we're getting now with a few of the characters, such as bonecrusher, brawl, ironhide, and maybe optimus. i'd probably just make the body changes to those four but not much else, i kind of like there heads and faces, except i'd leave primes mask on.
     
  19. Turnpike

    Turnpike Brawl is my bee-otch

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    I would keep the designs as they are. They’re perfect. We're getting the best in the industry working on this movie and does anyone think they actually have what it takes to make something better!? .. Arrogant to say the least. Good luck presenting your fanboy-ism in front of the studio heads. I would love to see that on youtube.

    I'd stick with what they're doing with the pistons, hydraulics and exposed areas. The designs inspired me to bring something similar like that into my own style and designs.

    The only thing I would change and god forbid the budget permits it: Longer running time OR more bot screen-time.
     
  20. nuopus

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    Yes, these are the Transformers I would have created. Putting hydraulics and wires to an old TF design would not remove the problem the plagues the Transformers. The problem is, TF currently appeals mainly to collectors; people of my generation. As much as I love them, those old designs are no longer cool with todays kids. If they were, TF would be more mainstream. Something needs to be done to change that ... and these new designs are the way to go.
     

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