Hi! Well this time I am doing a quick review of X-Transbots Krank & Stax. I just got these in the mail, & giving my 1st impressions of them. In all honesty… I wasn’t planning on getting these until I saw them. Meaning when I was a kid, Huffer (Krank) & Pipes (Stax) weren’t my 1# picks as to getting either Transformer as a kid. I remember that 1 of the guys that I used to hang out with & who’s mother used to babysit me got Huffer the 1st time in the store when the Transformers 1st came out… but I personally didn’t get either figure (Huffer or Pipes) until after High School when I would buy junk lots on eBay to fill in the holes in my collection. I got out of Transformer collecting about 7 years ago because I was too busy with work, but with me getting back on my feet after having cancer… I have started to get back into it again. Personally… 1 of my favorite series that they have come out with right now is the “Masterpieces.’ I am not saying this because of the fact that I am an old dog… but out of all the other series & toy lines that they have produced when it comes to Transformers… I still think that the G1 was the best incarnation of the genre. They have come out with other series & serials that had memorable characters or were cool in their own right… but I don’t think that they ever really ever recreated the same chemistry that they did with Transformers back in 1984-85. So for me, part of it is like me reliving my childhood, & the other is that these are better engineered versions of the G1 toys that I played with as a kid. So I really enjoy these figures because of that. The Packaging I am just noting this because I bought these guys from TFSource, & because of the fact that someone might buy them from a different dealer, the way that they might be packaged & mailed might be different. I thought that might be worth noting. These guys arrived in the mail today, in a good sized box. Bubble wrapped & reinforced with cardboard. 1 thing that I didn’t expect, & I don’t know if this is the way that they are packaged to begin with… or TFSource did this on their own, but the coins that these guys came with came in a black envelope. So when I 1st got the box, that was what I was 1st greeted with as well as a pretty neat little postcard advertisement from TFSource. Which I thought was neat because the Masterpiece line would have to be my favorite right now. The Boxes And I will admit that when I opened up the shipping container, I smiled by what I was greeted with. Very neat packaging for a 3rd party. Lately, I have been buying a few 3rd party or KO Masterpiece figures… & I have to say that some of them are pretty top notch. Depending on which 1 that you are looking at, some almost look just as good as an official Masterpiece release. What I thought was a nice touch with these guys, is that they developed packaging that is unique to itself… but you certainly know what it’s referring to. Or what it’s homage is. Both figures are packed in 2 solid cardboard boxes. Each roughly 9x7x4 inches. The paper stock that makes the box is a slick, semi-gloss paper. Very similar to what you see on the Masterpieces. The front, back, & sides are glossy… but the top & bottom don’t have that ‘sheen.’ The things that they did differently though, is that the packaging is a combination of what they did on their own, a little bit of Masterpiece mixed in there, & some of the G1 aesthetics in the sense you have the space battle background that the old G1 boxes had. Which I thought was a neat little touch! On the front cover, you have both the robot & car modes of both figures with their blueprints in the background. On the sides you have the profile of the figure on 1 side, & the side view of the truck mode on the other. On top of the box you have the X-Transbots logo with the name of the figure, & the bottom has artwork of the upcoming Wheelie release that they are going to be doing… & as well as giving some love to Road Ranger. It’s nice seeing Go-Bots getting some TLC! And on the back… you get the classic G1 battle scene. Which I thought was a nice touch! Incase no 1 get these… this is the bio that they have written on the back – Krank Function : Construction Engineer “If you have no critics you’ll likely have no success” Krank is a cynic, doubter, grouch, griper, moaner, whiner & sourpuss. Though he’s a pain in the rear thrusters, Krank is an accomplished construction engineer with mathematical genius & an expert at all things molecular. Despite his personality flaws, he us considered valuable to the team & surprises them with his genuinely good deeds. He’s been assigned to a crew which he gets along with quite well, although Ollie seems to be wearing him down lately. Most of Krank’s complaints stem from being homesick, & longs for the day he can return. And Pipes… Stax Function : Warrior “Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others.” Stax is an inexperienced warrior with a lot of potential… if he could just stay out of the medical bay. He processes a keen curiosity for bizarre gadgets & objects native to wherever he travels, which tends to distract him from his mission. His collection of trinkets suspiciously end up disappearing every time that he is out of commission. Stax is an endearing bot who rarely complains & sees the upside to every situation. Due to his kind demeanor & naiveté he needs Krank around to balance him out. And another thing that I noticed as a side note… as I was scanning these, I saw that they were numbered as being 84 & 86. So I don’t if there is any special meaning behind the numbering other than it commemorating the year of their original release… I did notice that after I scanned the cover of the box. I didn’t see anyone else that has mentioned that. So far… neat packaging! Contents of the Box As to what you receive in the package, you get the following per package – * The action figure itself (either Huffer or Pipes) * 2 pistols * 2 smoke stack attachments * A collector’s card of whoever it is * 1 individual instruction sheet for whatever character that it is. Which surprised me because I didn’t expect that. It’s been too long for me to remember if the instructions for the MP Sideswipe & Red Alert are different… but I remember with the iGear Ratchet & Ironhide (and Patrol & Medical Specialist) all had the same instruction sheet. Being a 3rd party, I was assuming that they would do the same with these guys. But no… each character has his own unique instructions, & the same instruction sheet isn’t passed off to the other guy. Which I thought was a nice touch! Another thing that I was kind of surprised by was the fact that all the paperwork that comes with the figure comes & is stored in a Ziploc type bag. Which I didn’t expect because even with the Masterpiece figures, the card & the instructions come in a loose baggy. The bag might be taped up when you 1st get it… but it’s still in a loose bag! Here it is put into a Ziploc bag… & maybe I need to get out more… but I thought that added another level of class in that department. As to how everything is packaged, everything comes in a clam shell like box, with the paperwork under the clam shell. The figures arrive transformed in their truck modes… with the smokestacks, pistols, & side mirrors disattached. Which a smart move I think because from when my Huffer packaged till when he showed up on my door step… he must have been shook around enough where the mirrors came loose from their compartments, & God knows what could have happened if they were attached to him directly. You do have to attach the side mirrors to the figure, but the thing about them is that the tabs where they attach into the cab is quite thin/small. So I am not going to put it to the test… but I would imagine that it wouldn’t take that much force to snap them if pressure were put on the joint. At this point in the game, I have only seen 1 video review of these guys so far… & after looking at them 1st hand… I would have to agree that when installing them, the smartest thing to do to apply pressure at where they connect rather than to grab them at the mirror like some people would like to. So in other words… when installing them… push them in at the ends of the mirror (where the tabs are at), rather than the main body of the mirror. I am imaging that either way would work… but it’s that feeling of walking over a frozen lake that you are not too sure of how thick the ice is. The Card For this part of the review… I will basically state the same thing for either card because the same kind of goes for either 1. Design-wise, the bio-card is a mixture of different tech specs & inserts over the years. I would say that the overall design is based after the cards that you get with the Masterpieces now… but some elements I can see from the G2 line. The back of the card reminds me of the tech specs that you would get off the back of a G2 backing. I don’t speak Japanese & there might be something that I am missing with the Japanese imported Masterpieces because of that… but it looks like an updated version of a G2 tech spec. But again… with the fact that Japanese isn’t a language that I can read… there might be something that I am missing out on with the fact that there’s a cultural aspect that I don’t understand that I am now getting because it’s written in my language. You have to speak to someone that knows… but this might be a direct translation… or conversion from Japanese to an English speaking country. Because I don’t know what a Japanese Masterpiece collector’s card would literally look like if translated into English, this might be a literal copy of what it would look like if translated into English. The same thing… but a different language. If I had something like that to compare this to… I might have a better comparison to point out. It looks like the cards are made of the same material as the packaging… or at least very close to it. I would say that the cards that you get with both Masterpiece & the iGear figures that I have gotten are better quality than these… but they serve their purpose. 1 of the problems that I had when I was scanning for this review, was I couldn’t get a good shot of the back of Pipe’s card… & the reason for that was that the card wasn’t cut straight… & the scanner was picking up on that cutting the edges off. I think that these cards are cheaper made than some of the other 1’s that I have gotten… but again… they serve their purpose. The Instructions As I already said… 1 thing that I was surprised by was the fact that each 1 ended up with a different instruction sheet. Even the way that the instructions were printed up was different than the other character. I was actually expecting the same thing to be in the same box… but no. I have both Ratchet & Ironhide from iGear… & I kind of expected it to be the same (as to everyone having the same paperwork). I have both the MP Sideswipe & Red Alert… but the Red Alert that I have I got loose… & never came with any paperwork. So I have nothing to compare them with in the sense of whether or not their instructions were any different. Someone who has that would know that answer better than what I would… but just throwing that out there. Each sheet is roughly about the same size as your standard sheet of writing paper, & is printed on 1 side. The instructions are on some sort of glossy paper. Like poster type paper. And they fold into 4’s when you put them away. Another little touch that I liked… was the fact that they kind of resembled the old G1 instructions. Or at least the 2nd year. The 1st wave of Transformers, they had colored instructions. Whereas the 1’s that came after them were a white & some other pale color for the transformation. What’s kind of interesting about these, is that they are colored with a slight purple tinge… which is what they gave the Decepticons in the G1 line. The Autobot instructions were colored red… & the Decepticons were purple. So that I thought was kind of interesting… The Clamshell Packing And I am just throwing this in here because I have bought some official Masterpiece releases, KO’s, 3rd party Transformers… & I noticed that the packaging of each group was slightly different. I just recently bought a KO version of Frenzy & Buzzsaw… & their shell wasn’t taped together because they aren’t enclosed like the other 1’s. But with my MP Sideswipe… his package was taped from left to right. The KO Red Alert that I got to repair my official Red Alert was taped from top to bottom. I bought my iGear Ratchet loose from someone else… so I don’t know how he was sealed… but my Ironhide was taped from left to right… & these guys (Huffer & Pipes) are enclosed in a clear clamshell… but not sealed with tape. Maybe not even worth mentioning… but something that I noticed. The Figures Krank (a.k.a Huffer) Well… I will focus most of the review on this figure because of the fact that both of them share the same base mold, & there is no real point repeating the same thing on both figures unless it’s a gimmick that you only find in 1 or the other. So just in the interest of time, & not to put you asleep by telling you the same thing over & again… I will hit the important parts with the review with things that apply to both figures with him right here & now… & fill in the gaps with what makes each 1 different. Truck Mode But here I am with everyone’s favorite cynic in all of his MP glory. I basically bought him over the Cubic variation because there were certain design elements that I liked better on this 1 that I didn’t like as much as the other. Though the Cubic version is pretty impressive as well. At this point of the game, I’ve left him in his truck mode just to look him over & check out every nook & cranny. As I thought… I HATE those side mirrors… & they were a pain to get on. Part of the problem was that there was still flashing on the ends where they go into the cab… & they are just 1 of those parts where you sit there & think “Are you going to break? Are you going to break?” For a lack of a better analogy, I feel like I am playing with a part that is like the windows on a G1 Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen or Jazz… & can just tell that is a part that is incredibly fragile. Like if you stare at it too long… or fart the wrong way… it will break. I hate to say it… a part of me would have kind of preferred that this part was made out of a rubber material rather than chromed plastic. Don’t get me wrong… the chroming looks very impressive on it… but I am the kind of guy that would rather get something that can take a lick… & keep on ticking. Once I get done with this review, take shots of everyone… I will put him away so that he isn’t out in the open… but I just have a concern about how delicate that they feel to me. Just to show you where I am coming from… I had a MP-10 sitting on my nightstand for 3-4 months. Somehow he got bumped… fell over… & hit the ground. He wasn’t that high up. Maybe 2… 2 ½ feet high… but that was enough for 1 of the tips of his smokestacks to get snapped off. I managed to get a replacement to repair it with. But that’s the point. I think that the smokestack on Prime are bigger & tougher… but if they broke with just with that… I am just not too comfortable with these. All that I can say is that I will make sure that I will keep Bruticus away from him! NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME! The only other things that I kind of don’t like… & it’s not really a complaint… but rather a gripe… is that if you will play with him… you will find out that the back of the truck isn’t fixed. I’m used to the other MP scaled Transformers where they have articulation up the kazoo… but when they transform into a car (or whatever it is that they transform into), they transform into something that is pretty ridged. It’s cool that he will have all that articulation when he will transform… but I would rather it be a little more sturdy when he is in vehicle form. The only reason why I complain about that, is that I don’t like to ‘fix’ things when I have already done it. I haven’t transformed him yet… but I can see that he has a swivel waist & ballsocketed hip joints… & there isn’t anything that is keeping them still when he is a truck. Not the end of the world, but I would have liked that to be sturdy… because 1 of the gimmicks that he has when he is a truck… is that you can hook him up to Prime’s trailer. Which leaves me in hog heaven! But again… once you attach him… you have to kind of ‘clean up’ things where parts got pushed out of the way… & I would rather it be without any fuss & fiddling with things. And the last thing that I can ‘complain’ about… is that he comes with plastic wheels… & a part of me keeps dreaming & hopes that other companies would start making parts with rubber wheels instead of solid plastic. I keep dreaming of rubber wheels, & keep getting all plastic. At least I don’t have a girlfriend like that! I know that they do it because of the fact that it’s cheaper to produce, but I just think that rubber wheels on a toy like this adds so much more class. I am just old school when it comes to that. But overall… so far it’s a neat toy! I didn’t like how tough that it was to get all the loose parts attached (the mirrors & pipes). Mostly because of the fact that the ends weren’t clean… & that made them getting in a little harder because they weren’t smooth & had clearance issues. So a part of me would of liked it if someone spent more time making sure that those parts worked better for just the assembly purposes. This toy is meant for an adult… & not a little kid… but I like things that are built where it takes a fair amount of effort to break it… rather than just playing with something… & that’s all that it takes! I like the paint apps… the detailing… & the chroming. This is the 1st MP scaled Transformer that I know of that has had this much chroming. Which I thought was pretty impressive. I am still trying to figure out what he is made out of. I can’t tell at the moment. I don’t think that it is ABS. Maybe HDPE. I have been playing with different plastics lately just experimenting with different materials & colors for things that I would like to make… & really looking at the texture… it almost looks like the same material that I have saved from the Gatorade mix bottles that I have. Which are made out of HDPE. You can get some high quality parts (and detail) out of both ABS & HDPE… but they have a different look to them. ABS plastic tends to have a very smooth surface… but if you ever pick up a bleach bottle… shampoo bottle… something of that nature & really look at it… it looks like it has a ‘fiber’ texture to it. Like a piece of cloth. Or at least grainy. So that’s kind of why I wonder if that’s what he is made out of because it looks almost the same. I have heard a couple people committing about the material that he was made out of… & that’s why I so was so keen to look… & I wouldn’t say that it’s bad… but it made me think. There could have been other materials that they could have chosen… but it works. It looks like the same kind of stuff that iGear used to make the PPO5 Specialists. Maybe a different color… but that same kind of looking plastic. If that makes any sense. Looks & displays well. Would look great as a standalone piece, or a desk display. I love all the detailing in it. It rolls smoothly enough. Though on my copy… the front wheels work better than the back. I don’t know if that is because of the way that the waist & wheels align, but even with weight to hold them down… they still don’t move very well. I haven’t played with Stax (Pipes) yet… so I don’t know if he has the same issue… but something that I have noticed with mine. But I like the tinted windows… all the little details… for the price… a decent figure. The only thing that I think that could improve it are the things that I kind of complained about. As just to show size comparison… here’s a quick shot of Huffer next to a junked Red Alert. So in truck mode… he’s about the same size as a standard MP. Robot Mode Well I finally got to the point of transforming him into a robot, & honestly… I think this is where he really shines. The irony of the situation is that after I take these pictures I am going to get a hold of TFSource & see if I can get an exchange because I just noticed that he is damaged. So I don’t know if he was nailed in shipping… or that he was manufactured that way. Though I am assuming that something happened in shipping because all the contents were scrambled up when I opened the box. Both of his arms were popped off in the cab, & I can see a hairline crack forming right at the shoulder joint where the ball joint screws into the chest. Which is a bummer because I was looking forward to this guy. But I have a feeling that he was whacked in shipping, & that is why he looks the way that he does. But for the purpose of this review, he will serve his purpose for the time being. Again… like I said… his robot form is where he really shines. Highly detailed… & pretty sturdy feeling. I will admit that I am a little bit spooked after the fact that I saw that there was something wrong with him to being with… but the only problem that I had with his transformation was the fact that 1 of the wheels that swings around & goes into the cabin in transformation hung up the 1st time. It didn’t do that the 2nd time that I tried… but with the fact that I saw that his shoulder was starting to break… a part of me was like “Oh no! I don’t want something else to break!” But I just think that it was a quirk with that 1 time. Speaking honestly… when I 1st saw the pictures of him online… I didn't quite like the look of the face sculpt. It looked like the eyes were a little small, & the mouth was off. But as weird as this may sound… I think that it is 1 of those things were something looks 1 way when you look at a picture… but it looks completely different when you have it in your hand. He does have a different ‘cartoon’ face than what he does in cartoon. Looking at it… you know who he is… but he has a different look. In the cartoon… I would say that he has a chubby, almost baby-faced look to his face (like a little kid that has baby fat in their cheeks), & this sculpt makes him look more mature. I guess the good comparison would be the 2 different face sculpts that you have with MP Rodimus. You have 1 face sculpt that is meant to be his ‘Hot Rod” face… & the other is his more mature “Rodimus” look. For a lack of a better description… it’s like what they did that to Huffer’s face. If that makes sense. Overall… I like the look of the figure. Looking at him… you know exactly who he is… & LOVE the detailing that they put into him! The paneling… the circuitry… the whole deal! I even like his face! Now that I have seen it… it is kind of growing on me. The only thing that I don’t like… is the fact that he was damaged in shipping. That kind of sours everything. Overall… a very good design. 1 thing that I just played with to see if he would do it… is that I just shook him to see if the cabin would move. Sometimes with some Transformers the connection with whatever joint that it is sometimes is a weak joint… & just a gentle nudge would knock it loose. I shook him just as hard as I would if you would shake a bottle of juice (to mix the drink), & it didn’t go anywhere. So I found that impressive! As to range of motion you have – * You have a ball socketed neck * Ball socketed shoulders on a swivel joint * Bicep swivel * A double hinged elbow joint * MP style hands… though slightly smaller than a normal MP scaled figure. They rotate 360 degrees, & open & close like a standard MP hand * Torso twist/waist swivel * Ball socketed hip joint * Thigh swivel * Hinged knees * Ball socketed ankles So you get a lot of range of motion out of this guy. Very pose able. Like I said… this is where this mold shines. With the setup of the character, there are a # of different things that you can do with his attachments. With the Huffer version, I just leave the smokestacks attached to the cabin just to keep them out of the way… but you can attach them to his forearms… or combine them with his pistol to make a super weapon out of it. But like I said, I just attach them to the cab. 1 thing to note too… is that the pistols that Huffer comes with are the same exact pistols that you get with the Pipes variation. Just like the weapons on Sideswipe & Red Alert. Except they aren’t recolored like they are with them. Both the Huffer & Pipes figures are packaged with the same exact weapons. The only thing that makes them different (weapon-wise), is that they come with different smokestacks. So that is the only thing that makes them different in that sense. But 1 of the last ‘gimmicks’ that this guy has up his sleeve, is that he has a dual face switch gimmick. You have 1 face that represents the look that he had in the cartoon… & another that is more like his toy face. Which look pretty good. Pretend that his toy face is his wielding mask when he is working on his engineering & chemistry projects! Stax (a.k.a. Pipes) Truck Mode As expected… I had a problem getting both the mirrors & smokestacks in Pipes. Actually more of a problem than what I did with the Huffer. Though getting the mirrors in were easier this time because I kind of learned my lesson from the 1st time around. The instructions don’t state this (I went & checked to make sure that I didn’t screw up & didn’t read something that I was supposed to), but the easiest way to install them is to line up the bottom 1st… & then do the top of the mirror. With both of mine… there was still flashing left from them being on a parts spru… where it was just enough to cause an issue of it being able to fit into the joint. I have to go back when I have a little more time to do it better… but what I did to help fix the problem is that I took a pair of junked nail clippers of mine… & cleaned a bit of the junk off so that it would be a better fit. * But a note to all you guys that might do this after I mentioned it… but make sure that the tools that you use are used, & more importantly your own. Make sure what you grab isn’t your mother’s, sister’s, girlfriend’s, wife’s nail clippers… so that if you use them… ruin them… & put them back… that they don’t put you a world of hurt because of the fact that you did! Just a survival note! * I think that I still have to do something to the bottom part of the smokestacks on Pipes because of the fact they won’t fit at all. Either the hole in the cabin that they fit into is too small… or the ends of them are too large now that they have been chromed. The small tab that attaches to the guns & the middle of the cabin works fine enough… but I might need some fine grit sandpaper to file them down a bit because they are not fitting into the holes. Overall… I am kind of digging the way that he looks more than I do Huffer. But I think that is because of the fact that green is my favorite color… & the dark blue is jiving with me more than the orange. But being orange… I have a feeling that Huffer would have less of a chance getting hit because people have a hard time seeing those blue & green cars when they drive! They are the same body type since they are the same mold… but I kind of like the look of Pipes more than I do Huffer. At least in truck mode. In truck mode… the only difference between the 2 (body wise), is that Pipes has different smokestacks that Huffer. But other than that… they are the same truck. Same gimmicks… same tricks. There isn’t anything different here that separates them at this point from each other… other than their color & that Pipes has... & different looking smokestacks. They are the same truck other than that. And I don’t know if the problem that I am having with smokestacks is something that I am just having… but that might be an issue with someone else if they get either figure. And I had the same problem with the rear wheels too. Not as bad as Huffer, but they don’t want to turn very well. Even with weight… it doesn’t help much. And it’s not that I have something misaligned because I haven’t transformed anything yet. I did move the legs so that I would have more clearance to get the mirrors & stacks in… but I haven’t transformed anything yet at this point of the review where that should be an issue. Robot Mode Basically it is going to be a shorter review of this figure than it was of the Huffer variant because a lot of the same stuff is in 1 figure as it is in another. So no point in repeating the same thing. So basically the Pipes version is the same as the Huffer apart from some slight retooling of the mold. You get a new head, chest piece, new shoulders, different smokestacks… but basically it’s the same body. Unlike my Huffer that was broken, this guy came through just fine, & I generally am more receptive to him maybe because of that reason. If & when I get a replacement Huffer, I need to go back & update this review. The transformation is basically the same… & I have to admit that at 1st, I kind of had a problem getting his cab set on his back. The transformation for these guys I think is pretty straight forward… & even without instructions… if you are used to transforming Transformers… I don’t think that the transformation is that difficult. I generally like this guy more than the Huffer that I have… but that might be because of the fact that he wasn’t damaged. I have to get an undamaged Huffer to really see if 1 is better than the other. And again… all the same gimmicks that you find in Huffer you find in Pipes. The only difference between the 2 is that they are recolors of each other. But basically… that is it. And with the head gimmick… it’s a little different than Huffer’s in the sense that there’s a tab in the back… whereas with Huffer… you lift the crown… & flip the face around. Personally… I like the way that you can do the face switch with Pipes more because of the fact to me it’s easier to do. But that is just the way that it is. Final Assessment But overall assessment… what do I think of these figures? Personally I need to get a new Huffer/Krank before I can 100% say for sure that I feel this way… but overall… I like both figures. I kind of like them more as robots than I do trucks… just because of the fact that’s where I think that most of the engineering for these toys was focused. They look good as trucks too… but I think that there were certain things that they could have done better. And that’s not really not putting them down… but I think that there are a couple things that they could have pushed a little further to push it over the edge sort of speak. With me… I kind of didn’t like the fact that the legs & waist are free to move as a truck. I only have Sideswipe, Red Alert, & Prowl for the standard sized Masterpieces… & the thing about all of them is the fact that when they transform into a car… they are all rock solid, & nothing is rocking back & forth as much as these guys. As to the scale… because some people have made commits about that… I would say that they (Krank & Stax) are about right. The thing about G1 scaling is that it is all kind of ‘selective.’ Kind of suggested… but not really stuck to. As a figure… Huffer was your standard mini-spy height. But I remember him from the cartoon being 1 of the largest of the mini-spies of that group. He stood a head above all the rest of the G1 mini-spies. So the figure didn’t match up with the cartoon. Because in the cartoon, he was up to about Prime’s stomach. Which is where he stands on the MP-10… & maybe a head shorter than Sideswipe & Prowl. As to Pipes/Stax… I am assuming that he is correct because he didn’t show up in the series until Huffer died in the movie, & I don’t ever remember him being in an episode with Optimus Prime. So I am assuming that he is correct with him being based off Huffer’s build. I ordered 4 of these guys (2 sets of each), but for what I paid for them off of TFSource… I think that they are worth the money. Together they are like $170 with free shipping, making them roughly $80 each. About the same price that I have been paying for a Masterpiece. The only good thing about my Huffer being nailed, is that it gives me a chance to see how well that TFSource does their exchanges since I have never had this problem with them before. But at any rate… that is my take on the situation… & I hope that you enjoyed the review!