wow.. Spacebrige in ROTF

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    good point

    unless this genius named john barber fixes all those plot holes :p 
     
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    Never heard of him, but the issue isint just plot holes, if I'm right.

    I believe theres some "factual" continuity differences [as facts go in a fictional universe]

    Character names for 1, and no re-write in a comic is ever going to explain that type of issue.
     
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    I'm not flat out saying your wrong or the majority is right, I'm just saying it seems like Bay intended to be Saturn, and a pretty background just fits his style and I think that Saturn is the impression he wanted to get out to most viewers. Yes there is no nebula out there. But IMHO the Bay version there is and I'll leave it at that.

    Yeah I rely more on the movies, and what seen and said in them, I've never read the comics and from what I hear there are contradictions all over the place if you try to mix them in.
     
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    John Barber is a Writer from IDW and he managed to fix most of the contradictions from the Comics/Novels and the Movie
     
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    and I'm not saying your flat out wrong either.

    But Bay more then others knows how powerful an image can be when trying to convey a message or an idea in a film.

    If it was his intent for people to think it was saturn, then why add a celestial body like a Nebula to the surrounding area?He must know that some people would question just exactly what was being shown.


    as do I, but there are a few things the films just dont cover in thew dialog.
    Well, like I said, I think there are a few that just cant be fixed.
     
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    true. he havent fixed the fact the battles of the primes from tales of the fallen issue 3 and 4 doesnt match what we saw in the movies, but i asked him in twitter if there was a way to fix this, all he said was while they are inconsistent they are not inrrenciable which means theres a way to make both versions work together
     
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    that type of issue, I felt, can be explained in a few ways.\but there are other types of issues that caant be explained in any way that I would find acceptable.
     
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    about other things u say cannont be explainaied just curious
     
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    well, like I said above, character names is a major one.
     
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    like Mirage, Wheeljack and the other crankcase from reign of Starscream?
     
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    pretty much
     
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    well for wheeljack and mirage i just think they changed their names after they got new bodies and the crankcase from reign is jsut a generic con who sahres the same name

    i jsut asked barber in twitter if theres any in-continuty awnser for the Wheeljack/Que and Mirage/Dino thing lets see if he replies
     
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    The problem with that is in the comic adaptations of the films some of the characters had different names.

    Comic adaptation / Actual film


    Brawl..................Devastator
    Wheeljack............Que
    Mirage.................Dino

    theres nothing that will explain these imo.
    I doubt he'll come up with anything I would find acceptible.
     
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    Different names but still same characters. again they could had jsut changed their names some of us changes our names so why not cybertronians
     
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    Different names means different continuities.

    the problem is that the comic adaptation is supposed to be the same story/continuity.

    If the comic shows the same scene as the film, and in the film he has 1 name [Que] and in thew comic his name is different [Wheeljack] then it cant be the same continuity.
     
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    well the thing is that in the titan magazine comics for movie 1 WHICH is canon to the idw comics refer brawl as devastator aswell meaning brawl and devastator are how they call him (the titan magazine comics for rotf and dotm are not canon to the other comics btw, only the prequel ones for movie 1 are (expect the one where stasrcream turns the dead cons into zombies and the one they kill scorponok))
     
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    I believe your incorrect there as well.

    The editor of the Titan magazine stated that there are 2 different "tank" characters in their movie-verse continuity.

    1 named Devastator and his TWIN Brawl.

    Either way, if the comic adaptation of the same story uses different names, then its a different continuity.
     
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    i do not consider the Comics adaptations canon to the other comics since they are not compatible with the prequels anymore

    Like in the Movie 1 Prequel we see Barricade death, Brawl is blasted to pieces, Blackout is blasted aswell, Jazz spark is jsut consumed while he stays in 1 piece, the dead Decepticons have explosives for destroy their remains in the ocean, Sam throws the cube into megatron destroying THE Entire cube leaving no pieces left

    While Alliance Brawl and Blackout are dead but they are like they were when they died in the movie, Jazz is still ripped in Half like in the movie, we still have the Allspark shards like in the movie, there's no explosives in the cons remains, in all post movie and post ROTF Comics Barricade lives

    In the ROTF adaptation, we have 11 of the 13 Original Tfs dead by the hands of Fallen and the other prime makes the tomb with the bodies of his brothers, jetfire claims fallen killed all of the primes desentands save for optimus, Fallen is in a relic, Ravage lives, Megatron never gets wounded (expect for getting his arm ripped), optimus does not die, instead he goes to stasis

    in the DOTM Comics we see that the Fallen freed himself from his sarchopagus using sentinel pillars before any of the movies/adaptations happened, in the other comics we only have 6 of the 13 dead, if fallen killed all of the desendants then Sentinel should not be alive, in Nefarious soundwave mentions Megatron wounds and dotm comics shows him wounded (expect for rising storm due to artist errors), in tales of the fallen we see Ravage death as it was shown in the movies, in the dotm comics optimus says he died
     
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    thats an interesting line to draw.

    And thanks for the info on the other contradictions, I wasnt aware of all of them [or didnt remember]
     
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    no problem