Wow;I guess the grass is greener - BotCon 2005 related

Discussion in 'Transformers Conventions and Get Togethers' started by Shaun_C, Oct 2, 2005.

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  1. Shaun_C

    Shaun_C The REAL One True fan Veteran TFW2005 Supporter

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    First off I'm NOT trying to start up stuff.But honestly felt this needed to be said

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    Those are the active threads on BotCon at allspark right now.It's a STARK contrast to what I've seen on this board.As those of us who went had a great time :thumbs2: 

    I mean I haven't really seen a negative remark about the Con from anyone on 2005 who went.Even at the Con itself everyone I spoke to had a blast.1)We got our exclusives on time 2)The Con staff were friendly 3)Rik Alverez and Pete Sinclair were busy yet VERY approachable

    Makes me wonder if any of those Allspark members WANTED to enjoy themselves. It's pretty much a know fact if you WANT TO enjoy yourself you will.Seems to me these Allspark members WANTED to NOT enjoy themselves & simply find fault.Which is a shame because they could've simply stayed home & saved themselves some money

    Kind of adds to my thread in GD.Seems like adult fans just can't enjoy anything w/o finding fault :redface2: 
     
  2. Beastbot X

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    Thank you for pointing out reason #1 why I left the Allspark a year ago.

    It also absolutely boggles my mind how people can possibly be offended by someone saying a Christian public prayer in a predominantly CHRISTIAN nation in an especially predominantly CHRISTIAN state. Get over yourselves, you big PC babies.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but you aren't going to find a whole lot of things that tick me off more than political correctness run amok.

    EDIT: In fact, how about all of us that enjoyed the 'Con each send Brian an e-mail tellling him our heartfelt thanks for all the hard work he put into this 'Con. Might help him forget about all the whiners.
     
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    Point one why you'll never be able to sell shit to a diverse and multicultural audience.

    Sorry to be blunt, but you'd not find many things that would piss me off more than people trying to force their religion into my food.

    Phazer
     
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    Honestly, the only thing that would have bothered me was that the prayer was forced onto people. I most likely would have gotten up and walked out and then made sure to mention that to Brian and insist that if a prayer be included next year that the prayer cater to each religion present or a few moments of silence for people to say a silentr prayer. I refuse to be forced into participating into a religious event.
     
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    What??? They did that??? :peoples: 

    Did they not have any respect for those who are NON-Christian??? Wonder what the Atheists, Spiritually Agnostic, Catholics, Jewish, Buddhists, Mormons, etc felt about that...
     
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    Transformer conventions and religion should not mix, unless you're praying to Primus, and then it's still pretty weird.

    Way too many people there who are different religions, it doesn't matter what state or country it's in.

    Calling people big PC babies when they are forced into praying to a god they may not worship is utter crap. :stick: 
     
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    Exactly... It just seems outright inconsiderate...

    But I would pray for Primus... Hopefully he will turn water into Transformers... :thumb 
     
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    That's the magic of Twin Twist baby!

    And yeah, if I had a attended the dinner, the prayer would have pissed me off. But I didn't and you all handled it real well. Good job. Here's to next year chums!
     
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    I actually didn't have a great time at the convention. Sure, the panels were good and I managed to get a decent haul, but what really fustrated me was casino night and how they judged the art entries. The prayer before the meal, DID NOT offend me. I mean it was brief and pretty short. I mean if it was ANY other religious prayer most of you would have just shrugged it off anyway. A little ten second prayer is a lot less offensive then the hours and hours that have been spent bashing it since then.

    Sorry, if I offended people, but it's true.

    I'm going to attend next year, not for the con, but so I can meet the friends that I made this year.
     
  11. Shaun_C

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    I'm Atheist & personally I didn't care.It was a short 15-30 grace & it'll take more then saying grace to raise my ire.

    Mormons worship Christ so giving grace shouldn't be an insult

    Buddhists IIRC respect the diversity of differing religions.So again it shouldn't be an insult

    In fact I wouldn't be surprised if most of those religions you mentioned give grace in their own way

    I think "FORCED" is too strong of a word IMO. I was there I participated in grace,it was not big to me.
     
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    Perfectly put!
     
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    I agree with you wholeheartedly. The prayer was awkward at best, but hardly the major offense that it is being made out to be. And for reference I'm Agnostic. I'm also from the south and accept that the people down here love God. I also find it hard to fault people for being spiritual regardless of their religion. It's not like Brian held guns to our heads and demanded we all pray to his God, that I'd probably be offended by.

    here, here. That was the best part of the con for me. I think that all of these complainers were just the unsocial layabouts who are just mad that they couldn't make any new friends at the show. Being friendly certainly helps. I personally tried to avoid the people I overheard moaning and being negative, but I always do that. I'd rather hang with a :rock  than a :cry 

    Shaun, put me down for the '06 TFW dinner, sorry I missed the '05 one.

    Alphie, I love my mousepad, thank you.
     
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    To be honest, I don't outright -disagree- with a lot the stuff in those links, but I just don't really feel like talking about it.

    The prayer bemused me, more than anything else. I look at it like, at least he didn't expect anyone to join in (as far as I could tell?). Saying grace over the PA, along with the BEEFBEEFBEEF plates being handed out gave me a chuckle. I did feel sorry for the people that had to wait half an hour for a replacement meal, especially considering how there was no menu or ANYTHING. And in reading reports, it seems that I saved myself a lot of aggrevation by skipping the Organizer's Roundtable, aheh.

    Botcon 2005 was a hell of a lot of fun, but that's mostly because of the -people I met up with-. I wuv you guys. In a wholly platonic way. *cough*
     
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    Right... I agree because I don't believe in set religions and I doubt the prayer would've offended me, but I would think that there are be people that would be offended...

    Like PC said, if you're gonna have a prayer, even a small one, all the other religions should be represented as well... Or even better, to hold a moment of silence for prayer of your own particular religion...
     
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    I'm a Christian, but I think the prayer was absolutely insensitive, a stupid thing to do, and what he should have done was just have a moment of silence so everyone could privately do as they wished and no one would be offended.

    However, I did find it was pretty unobstrusive. He did it well after people had started eating, and I didn't even notice what was happening until 2/3 of the way through the thing, nor did anybody else at my table from what I could tell. I guess I've just never heard of someone having grace in the middle of the meal. I don't know, I just chalked it up to a religious Southerner without the sense to realize not everyone in the audience shared his beliefs. I doubt there was any malice or attempts at conversion going on. Probably to him that's just what you do. It's not as if the dinner prize was a King James Bible.
     
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    The Lord Jesus blesses this thread and all those who have posted in it.
     
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    Amen.
     
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    praise Jesus, now pass the beef
     
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    This is exactly what I meant by "getting over yourself." Your personal religious beliefs and/or rebellion against God do NOT matter enough to render null an important American tradition, nor should they. It's not forcing their religion into anything, you're perfectly able to either not participate or, if the case may be, utter your own prayer to your own god. You respect your host country's traditions. I wouldn't be offended if I went to Egypt or whereever and there was a pre-meal Islam prayer, because I'm in EGYPT. Heck, if I were Brian Savage and recieving all these whiny complaints about saying grace of all things, I'd make sure the grace next year was twice as long just to piss them off more.
     
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