I know there are loads and loads of movie fanboys on here and I mean no disrespect or anything, but to some extent I think that the movieverse toys should have been called something other than Transformers. The toys and the designs themselves are so different from previous incarnations of transformers that if the movies had been released under a new name and been a new toyline, renaming all the figures and repainted Optimus Prime and gave him another "helmet" then I think it could have been successful as a new brand. I think that the transformers name and the characters names should be used better, I mean the reason for using it to begin with is to spark some form of recognition. I for one think of a red, blocky robot who's an old friend of Optimus Prime and a war veteran when I hear the name Ironhide, so to me it just doesn't serve any purpose giving that name to a black robot with parts pertruding from everywhere who wants to shoot everything that moves, preferably while doing cartwheels. Not saying thats not cool and all, but it's nothing like the original Ironhide, and therefor there is no need for him to be named Ironhide. If they did all that then I'd actually be able to enjoy the movies instead of getting pissed off at the heroic Optimus Prime executing "bad" bots who can't defend themselves or traditionally clumsy feel good bumblebee ripping out the spine of ravage, peeing on humans, etc. Also had that been the case then they could have kept on evolving the movieverse toys in that direction instead of making toys that "looks like they were meant for preschoolers" as someone said the other day on this forum, paraphrasing, but you get the idea. I think we could have seen way more intricate designs in the movieverse and I think that the TF fanbase would have been better off, not having been split up in different camps. ***************************** BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN ALOT OF OFFTOPIC REMARKS ABOUT CHANGE, HOW THE MOVIE ISN'T G1 OR WETHER OR NOT THE MOVIE DESERVES TO BE CALLED TRANSFORMERS I FEEL THE NEED TO MAKE THIS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR: The movie: This is not a "I hate movieverse post" I am fully aware that the movie is not g1 I don't think that the movieverse toys aren't transformers Transformers in general: I am perfectly aware that there are changes from toyline to toyline I am not against change Ironhide: I don't think he's g1 Ironhide I don't mind the new character I don't want the movieverse character to be red I don't associate that character with the g1 character in any way shape or form I hope that with this we can go on to discuss wether or not the movieverse toys were good enough to be able to make it as a new brand, and that if we discuss Ironhide we do it from the perspective of "Are movieverse Ironhides design and character changes enough for the general public to not associate him with the g1 Ironhide seeing as transformers was synonymous with g1 to the general public (ie outside of the fanbase) before the 2007 movie, thereby allowing for him to be renamed to something else under another brand."