Why the MPM Optimus prime sucks in comparison with the ROTF Leader

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  1. Norm West

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    We know all the issues with ones of the most disappointing figures of the year (Optimus mpm), but, here the main thing of the thread it's, it's really a "masterpiece" and superior to the original leader?, please take a seat and hear me out.

    Here's a little and mostly basic explanation of the Masterpiece line:
    It actually has better engeenering than the original leader class and it's worthy of the name 'materpiece'?.

    I'd say by various investigations with depth i made so far, in my most objective view of it, it isn't.

    First of all we should compare both designs, the accuracy they make, prices, budget limits, final product, quality wise, etc.

    • DESIGN & ACCURACY
    Vehicle
    Both are trying to represent the first CGI model of the first trilogy from th live action movies.

    Both transform in the Peterbilt 379 truck, both have their flaws and hits in the way they are made to represent a toy form of it.

    However, there are greatly and noticeable differences between both in the alt-mode.

    Here's an image to explain better:

    PicsArt_09-30-03.36.19.jpg
    We are going to ignore the poor tolerances in the mpm version to focus in the accuracy.

    As you noticed, the mpm does a POOR job in hiding all the robot bits or kibble in the alt-mode wich it's surprising considering the ROTF mold was made like 9 years before, and this makes me feel they didn't found a proper way of transformation scheme, because it still cues some of the transformation from the original leader.
    Both aren't perfect, as you see, both hood extend more than they should just as the cabs.

    The undersized gas tanks, tool boxes, fenders, smokestack and rear head of the cab in the mpm, are proofs that the original leader was well balanced, both modes are accurate in someway without compromissing the other, that's why the leader's vehicle it's amazing among most of the fans who bought it, those poor proportions in the vehicle are not even in the Battle Blades Voyager from 7 years ago, and consider this, it was made for kids, not for "hardcore collectors".

    The original leader has been aged so well, his design it's actually ahead of this new time if you think about it, we still compare it to a new "high quality" item from the hands of Takara Tomy and Hasbro.

    Robot

    Here we go, both are actually pretty decent representations of it, to compare both with cgi model, i made this mock-up):
    PicsArt_09-30-04.05.09-1.jpg
    There are great differences in the aesthetic, however, i think the ROTF leader does more the "MP" name justice, heres's why:

    -The chest in the mpm is too wide and has a major gap im the chest between the collar, while in the MPM the gap it's small, and not weird looking at.

    -The fenders in the MPM ruin completely the profile and sihoulette, also does the backpack configuration, while in the leader those aspects are secure and well-done.

    -The flames in the forearms are not existant at all and are cropped by the transformation.

    -The forearms have more detail in the leader and the panels extend far from them as the cgi model, unlike the mpm.

    -The abs are completely bulkier than they should and are in a wrong shape, if you look at leader you can see a "square" form in the top.

    -The doors in the mpm are incomplete, and they're too wide and thick, also the leader's doors does something like a MP would do to mantain the accuracy, faux parts.

    -The windshields panels are totally blocking the head range and view, coming in the cheeks.

    -The crotch its' actually better detailed than the mpm and the golden accents are in the right position unlike the mpm.



    As you can see, the leader does a great torso and crotc, but the mpm wins by far in the legs compartement, but just that, they should have refined all the body shaoe, that's the prhase that describes all the waste potential in the mpm; "what it could have been...".

    • PRICES AND BUDGET
    The leader's price originally was under 50$ US dollars, in comparison with the Masterpiece Movie version wich price is the double now (100$)
    Further more, the japanese version has changed some bits and paint apps to cost around 140$.

    There was cuts of features in both figures, possibly the "working vehicle" for the mpm haha, those feature could change them in a substancial way, at least the leader class.

    Optimus-Prime-Leader-Robot_1234715230.jpg
    In the leader, the toolboxes im the lower legs were going to split, so are the tires on thighs, the hands wer articulable and retractable, the paint apps were major in comparison with the final release.

    Now with the mpm.
    Just a little feature was cut, and it was the air filters to slide in the transformation, we can see it here.
    20157402_491066637910435_188169918685231568_o.jpg

    • QUALITY WISE, FEATURES, PAINT APPLICATIONS, ETC.
    It's actually unfair compare the new MPM version with the original leader, we should compare it with the recent MB-11 that was for a similar price.
    PicsArt_09-30-04.35.34-1.jpg
    The paint apps are similar, unfortunely...
    -The MB-11 uses silver for most of the robot with some grey bits.
    -The mb-11 has golden apps in some parts.
    -The Hasbro's MPM uses dark grey while the TT uses lighter plastic.
    -There are golden accents in the TT mpm unlike the mb-11 and MpM hasbro (with 40$ price of difference).
    -The MPM prime has some brilliant or light finished in the diecast parts.

    -Both MPM uses silver pinstripes while the mb-11 doesn't.

    FEATURES

    In this aspect, i think the mpm it's in the par or even better.

    -The mb-11 has a TON of sound clips, and has some light gimmicks.
    -The mb-11 still has the mech-alaive gimmick
    -The mb-11 comes with hooks and swords, also the ion blaster it's integrated while the MPM doesn't.

    -The MPM has removable matrix, ehile diecast, the accuracy it's non existant.
    -The mpm comes with a swappable face gimmick.
    -The mpm comes with 33 points of arriculation.

    Final Conclusion:

    While both does have flaws and hits, it's sad that the issues in the MPM version have so much weight, but the leader also does an amazing job in a lot of thing, the masterpiece version even without the QC problems, there are a lot of design liberties that aren't made for the MP line, and some others that the leader does even better.

    The mpm has lost potential that could have been made it one of the best TF figures of all the time.

    Don't tabs at all, poor job at hiding kibble, weird proportions, poor paint apps im both versions, wrong colours too, inaccurate transformation srtill.

    The leader was one steps to be perfect, but they turn in a 180¤ degress and they failed completely.

    In my opinion, if you don't have any of these, you should buy the one you want the most, but it won't make it better or worse than the other, but just....think about all of this.
     
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  2. oku

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    Gimmicks ruined the leader mold...and many more.
     
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    Oh norm west.. you're hilarious.
     
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    Fun fact: you spend days of your life that not will come back bashing a toy.
     
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    I dunno - I'm going with desperate at this point! :) 

    Dude - not a single thing you've waffled about, including your own conclusion, shows me the MPM 'sucks compared to leader'. You're basically just writing they both have pros and cons.

    Some stuff is just laugh out loud blinkered! My highlights...

    - in one section you make a point about how MPM is double the price of the original leader. Fine. Then in another section you say how it's unfair to compare MPM with the original leader and must bring in the MB which costs the same as MPM! Lol!

    - The fenders spoil the profile and backpack... of the MPM!!??? And they're done great on the leader??? Bwa ha ha!!

    Dude we get you like the leader and are disappointed in the MPM (have you even had it in hand?). Good for you. Enjoy it. Move on.
     
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    Christ man. You’re still at it like 4 months later? Even people who share your opinion want you to just go away!
     
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    Welcome to the TF fandom. Leave your common sense at the door, it will not help you here
     
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    Dirge121 Eat the chikums

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    I have never seen such dedication to expressing dislike for a toy. Did you massively overpay for an MB11 the day before this was revealed or something?

    I did get a pretty good chuckle out of your comment about the ROTF mold hiding its kibble better than the MPM, so thank you for that.
     
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    This seems to be an ongoing issue that I am unaware of, so I will simply say;

    Jetwing Optimus Prime ftw.
     
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    I honestly can't tell which pic is which, between MPM and RotF movie...
     
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    What happened?
    Was your last thread locked?
    *checks*
    No it wasn't.
    So why the fuck did you make a 2nd thread solely dedicated to your complaints about MPM Optimus?
     
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    Tbh this a well done thread.



    Now get out please.
     
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    I think you proved mpm is a better choice, when you had to remove rotf leader from comparison and substitute in mb11.

    Your title is literally rotf leader vs. Mpm. Yet for quality, features, paint apps you couldn't even compare them without subbing a more expensive toy.
     
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    Common Norm.

    Half of the points you made are just not good enough to argue. I got my Takara copy for $98. That is cheaper than the Hasbro one, in store. You may have your oppinions, but to me, there is no way the Leader is better than MPM-04. That is like the people who say the HFTD BB Bumblebee is better than MPM-03.
     
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    Get a fucking life already
     
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    Funny because MB17 for some reason now costs the same as Takara MPM04 which means triple the price of what ROTF leader Optimus cost back in 2009.

    Would I pony up $150 for a repaint of a figure from 8 years ago with different paint and more weapons or rather get an all new toy that is far more accurate and doesn't cheat for transformation?

    The only thing the leader did better than MPM04 is have louder ratchets and a truck mode that tabs together sans gaps. In all other areas MPM04 is superior. ROTF leader Optimus can't kneel the way MPM04 does, lacks a matrix chamber, has smaller blunted swords that look like spoons, doesn't have an integrated face-swapping gimmick and cheats for transformation.
     
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    mpm beats rotf leader. now you go buy it
     
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  19. Lukelbs

    Lukelbs Brand New: Science Fiction = Masterpiece

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    Fixed it for you!;) 

    In all seriousness both are great molds. I have the APS-01U Optimus Prime and Hasbro's MPM-04 Optimus Prime and I love them both, but both are far from perfect. I personally find the MPM to be more accurate and fun to fiddle with and pose. Just as you said, if you don't own either molds pick the one you like best! Or as I like to say, "Why limit yourself, get both!"
     
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    Meh, I have Wei Jaing's OSKO Evasion Op and call it done.
     
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