The most common argument in my last thread "Why character name misuse is unnecessary" that kept arising out of discussions initially intended to address the distinction between creative choices in the films reflecting a sometimes quite thorough adherance to any particular Generation One character and in other cases an almost complete revamping of what we would recognize as Generation One (or any previous representation of the character in a past adaptation of Transformers), was a sub argument on the notion of the films all together being based upon, or not, Generation One. As any of you who participated in my previous thread have most likely deduced, I am first and foremost a Generation One fan. It's what I grew up with, it's what I deem, without insult or disregard for any other subsequent story line, the original Transformers. There is one key truth regarding G1 that is undeniable to any Transformers fan (which I am not merely isolating for argument's sake but to further another point, so bear with me), which is, its essential originality. Before G1 there were no Autobots or Decepticons, there was no Cybertron, there was no Optimus Prime nor any character with their now legendary traits in the context of any story in any shape or form. "The Transformers" did not exist (and this is referring to the beginning of characterization, so please do not argue with the existence of Diaclone). A look at the distinction between the word "adaptation" in contrast with the term "based upon" might help me elucidate my point. Every animated program and/or corresponding toy line has been based on, or an adaptation of, Generation One. There is simply no room for argument here. By definition, a story IS a Transformers story by being constituent of representative factors originated by Generation One. That is to say, to BE "Transformers", something must necessarily BE, either based on or an adaptation of, Generation One. Everything, and I mean everything, leads back directly OR indirectly to G1. I don't believe in "mutiverses", no matter what efforts Dreamwave made in their crossover comics to bring legitamacy to all the different adaptations and stories based upon G1. I believe in just that: "Adaptations" and stories/characters that are "based upon". Lets draw a control to avoid argument hemorrhage: The Oxford defines adaptation as the process of being adjusted to fit new conditions. And to be based upon is to be using something that serves as your foundation. Of course levels of how much something is "adjusted" vary, so lets use the term loose for adaptations with a lot of adjustment (fewer G1 elements), and firm for adaptations with less adjustment (significant number of G1 elements) from the original. And finally, within the context of Transformers we are dealing with a story and the characters that pertain to it, thus: Generation One: The Original story and characters are created. The Transformers and thus the essence of the franchise is born. Beat Wars/Machines: Based upon G1. Robots In disguise: Loose Adaptation of G1 & BW/M. Armada/Energon/Cybertron: Loose Adaptation of G1. Animated: Adaptation of, or if you think the flashback references including G1 footage are true G1 historical references then based upon, G1 & BM/W The Films: Firm Adaptation of G1 Note: If something includes adaptations of BW/M for instance, it still leads back to G1 as BW/M isolated is based upon G1. This is an argument about creativity not storyline continuity, and under the definition that we are using here an adaptation is both allowed strict adherance AND originality, what changes is whether it is loose or firm. This is just to show that any fictional story that is either based upon, or an adaptation of G1, is what actually defines it as Transformers. And, further, that amongst all the subsequent creations in both of these categories since Generation One, the films, though as some of you have argued (and I agree) are not G1 per se, nor are based upon G1, they are the strongest adaptation of G1 to date. Discuss. Note: I just came from a thread where someone was joking about how they'd like to see rape in a Transformers movie. WTF. Please keep it intelligent and respectful on here guys. And please try to refrain from personal attacks and and/or insulting other members and/or their opinions on this thread. Finally, if you really don't feel this thread is worth your time commenting on, then please just don't.