Why Metroplex ,Tryticon ,Omega Supreme not the leader ?

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  1. galvatron1976

    galvatron1976 Well-Known Member

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    I have a question ,why Optimus Prime and Megatron was the leader and people always said they are strongest robot in Transformers G1 ,not Metroplex ,Typticon ,Fortress Maximus ,Scorponok ,Omega Supreme ,Sky Lynx are leader or strongest despite the much bigger size?

    Why Autobot and Decepticon not chosen bigger size robot like Omega Supreme or Scorponok etc as leader but smaller size like Optimus Prime and Megatron ?

    Anyone?
    Thanks.
     
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    sto_vo_kor_2000 Banned

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    Why do you think size should matter?

    Being a good leader has very little to do with how big you are.
     
  3. Aernaroth

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    For example, things like charisma, intelligence, and since this is transformers, prophetic destiny, divine appointment, or possession of sacred relics.

    Also I don't think any of the three characters mentioned really have shown much desire to lead.
     
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    Prime and megs are more intelligent than some of the big brutes u mention. 100% Strength but 0% brains does not make you king most of the time.
     
  5. G1_Cindersaur

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    omega supreme wanted to be left alone...>FAIL on leader potential

    scorponok only seemed to wanted to lead his faction of decepticons *headmasters*

    sky lynx always wanted to just brag about himself.

    trypticon just wanted to destroy things...autobots mainly

    fortress maximus....total fail on the leader spectrum...never saw him as any potential except as a base of operations in the field of battle against the decepticons.
     
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    Master Yoda would like to have a word with you.

    Or maybe I should say: Yoda, with you, would a word like to have. Yes.

    Size matters not when it comes to leadership. Take Ratchet, for example -- one of the most unlikely candidates for leadership -- a repair-bot (who once told Prime that he was a doctor, not a warrior) who became the default leader of the Autobots in the G1 Marvel Comics series. Granted, he was the only Autobot left functioning at the time, but against impossible odds he outsmarted and defeated Megatron not just once, but TWICE. He later sucker-punched Starscream and then proceeded to beat the ever-loving crap out of him.

    Also, there are flaws with the theory that size and/or strength would automatically dictate leadership:

    - Metroplex (G1, that is) is described by his tech spec as "the Autobot's last line of defense." Furthermore, he's a city-bot, battle station and base of operations. By default, he cannot be the leader of the Autobots.

    - Omega Supreme, if you follow the G1 Marvel Comics continuity, was created as the Ark's last line of defense. In the G1 cartoon, he was created to be a Guardian and his tech spec says that he is "the ultimate defense force." By default, he also cannot be the leader of the Autobots.

    - Trypticon, in the G1 cartoon, was basically portrayed as a monstrous war machine whose only thought was utter destruction. His tech spec describes him as "without mercy" and a "lethal fighting machine." Furthermore, the TFWiki says of him:
    I don't know about you, but I see no qualities of a leader in that description.

    On the flipside, I thought you might like to know that the other names in your list actually did serve in leadership roles:

    - Cybertron Metroplex was the leader of the planet Gigantion.

    - Fortress Maximus, in the G1 Marvel Comics continuity, was a "unit commander" [TFWiki]. Later, after he became a human/binary-bonded Headmaster he was the leader of the Autobot Headmasters and Targetmasters. He continued to lead various missions and battles throughout the comic series.

    - Scorponok, in the G1 Marvel Comics (both the US and UK), enjoyed a long run as Decepticon leader, and The TFWiki gives his backstory as a Decepticon Commander on Cybertron. Later, he faced off against Shockwave, and assumed command of the Decepticons after the battle.

    And TFWiki describes Energon Scorponok as a "vicious military leader."

    - The tech spec for Sky Lynx lists his function as "Lieutenant Commander," and he led missions in both the G1 Marvel Comics series and the G1 cartoon.

    Now you know. And knowing is half the babble.
     
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    Fortress Maximus and Scorponok were the leaders in Headmasters after enough episodes.

    Trypticon in his original bio had plans to one day become leader.

    The rest, not so much. Besides cityformers make for poor leaders under nearly every circumstance. Fortress and MegaZarak were leaders in Headmasters becuse they were also the smaller bots, not the behemoth space cruisers.
     
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    Omega was in and out of counseling for just wanting to be left alone just to think how to get revenge on the constructions for destroying crystal city. Trypticon was to clumsy and not intelligent enough. Metroplex was but never got his eyes back from unicron or never had any new ones constructed, damn that starscream's ghost.
     
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    At the risk of having everything I post be ripped to shreds by little children:

    Giant Transformers are uniformly less intelligent than their smaller brethren. I always thought this was a mechanism to keep them under control. Also I always figured that with a gestalt, all five or six minds sort of mix together causing the Gestalt robot to only be able to act upon combined decisions of the whole team, thusly only the most basic of thoughts/actions can be acted upon. This is not however true for all gestalts, some like Build Team and Bruticus RID are clearly controlled by their team leaders, others like Computron are in control of the synthesis of their gestalt minds.

    There have been giant Transformers who have taken a leading roll, such as Zarak and Fortress Maximus.
     
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    Well Wasn't Fort Max the leader on Cybertron when Prime left? IIRC it was his decision to leave Cybertron that got them turned into "Masters" in the first place....
     
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    uh yeah he did...there was a scene at the end of the episode where rodimus said they were going to construct new ones..
     
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    A word with You Yoda would like to have, yes.
     
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    Speaking as an Autobot fan, Trypticon would have been an awesome leader:

    "What happened to our fearless leader?"

    "He just got his ass hammer-thrown by Metroplex after making fun of his momma."

    "Fuuu--"
     
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    They were vulnerable. The bigger they are the harder they fall isn't just a saying.

    How easy would it be for a smaller transformer to go inside one of the big beast and mangle things up? Didn't that happen to metroplex? The whole cog issue. And what of Unicron?

    I think a good leader has to be all encompassing. Strategic, charismatic , strong and quick on their feet with thinking. I always felt, in the case of metroplex, there was a dumb down factor too. In headmasters we see more of a culmination of thought between two or three persona's.
     
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    Look at Napolian............... the short little dead dude.
     
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    He also had issues. An inherent flaw in "evil" leaders. Hitler, Nero and so on. Something mentally wrong with them all.

    Now look at Churchhill...overweight , slow to move and always chomping a cigar. In modern times he was one of, if not the, greatest leader. He knew how to rally the troops and keep the morale of the people up so much there was a sense of duty and pride among all the citizens of Britain at the time.
     

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