Why Everyone Ignored TDK Plothole

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  1. monosierra

    monosierra Well-Known Member

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    I enjoyed TDK very much last summer - it pretty much took the superhero movie in a brand new direction. Yet one of its set pieces was set in motion by a ridiculous premise that almost undermined its whole grittiness - the Harvey-Dent-faked-his-arrest sequence.

    Given the film's realistic approach, the sheer incredulity of that whole idea is beyond belief, once you think about it. How in the world was Dent so sure everything would go according to plan (Hint: it didn't)? What were the costs involved, in terms of cops killed and choppers busted? And most of all, how did the Joker foresee the whole damned thing and turn the tables?

    Yet hardly anyone pointed about this. Why? Because TDK on the whole had so many merits - from an intelligent story to spectacular acting, not to mention its taking the comic book movie past adolescence to adulthood - some flaws, even major ones in the plot, are readily ignored for general praise of the picture.

    ROTF, on the other hand, was ridiculed for its many plot holes. One reason for this is that these plotholes were not borne out of necessity, as was the case of TDK, but carelessness. A mistake in the radar screen, an aerospace museum dislocated - the kind of stuff a quick script review can correct. These seem to suggest a ****-the-audience-they-won't-care attitude that smacks of cynicism - at least to critics.

    At the end of the day, ROTF delivers an entertaining experience - nothing more, nothing less. It pandered to the the lowest denominator - satisfying a movie-going public in need of a explosive thrill ride. You want more robots? You got it.
     
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    I was more annoyed by cellphone sonar... it was fucking ridiculous XD
     
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    I didn't like that they didn't kill the dude from R&D that figured out Bruce = batman. He knows the secret he must die >:O and then Bruce ruined a perfectly good Lambo. My inner TF fangirl cried.
     
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    that was my one gripe with TDK.
     
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    It was, also, about an hour too long. Hayo!
     
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    I loved both movies and both were/are my favorite films of the year.

    However I gotta say I like RotF better, but that's just 'cause I like Transformers as a whole better than Batman as a whole.
     
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    There are other things going on storywise during TDK to keep your mind busy rather than dwelling on plotholes like that. ROTF, not so much.
     
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    One thing I hated about TDK was the upside-down camera scene with the Joker. That looked extremely stupid.
     
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    Those things in TDK didn't bother me. Harvey didn't know how it would turn out, he's the type of character that takes chances. As for Joker, he may say he's the agent of chaos and doesn't plan things, but you learn he's a goddamn master planner. He's got plans for every possible situtation. He isn't as crazy as he looks, he's honestly a criminal mastermind.
     
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    alot of people may disagree with me but i thought the dark knight was at some points visually and emotionally mind raping
     
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    That isn't the pot hole. Dent was actually arrested. The plot hole is that if Batman and Gordon are together in on faking Gordon's death to the capturing the Joker, then why does Bruce Wayne go through all that wasted effort of mourning Gordon's death, destorying all his Batman files, and generally preparing to give himself up as Batman? Dent turning himself is actually a stroke of luck as it appears that he isn't even in on the plan. Everything comes down to one giant coincidence.

    It is a huge plothole that was really was not harped upon, you're right. However, I think it was not harped on because everything else was just so damn good besides that one element.
     
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    I am an AV junkie, so that is the only reason I enjoyed TDK. It looks amazing on my 141FD.
     
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    Same here.
     
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    This^^
    Coleman Reese must DIE!
     
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    I LOVE TDK.

    That being said.

    How did the Joker plant a bomb in a dude that would blow up the entire police station and kill/incapacitate everyone in the building except himself and the accountant guy?

    That's an amazing bomb, there.
     
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    I have no issues with TDK story wise, what I find bizarre is that people are dumping so hard on ROTF but loving Star Trek so much. Same writers, same basic level of adequate but underwhelming script. Both are fun for what they are but in the end I had more fun with ROTF (due to the TFs and the fact that the script issues in Trek really hampered my overall enjoyment of it).
     
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    That wasn't so much as a Plothole as it was a "WTF?!" Moment for me. Who the hell would actually believe that Harvey Dent was The Goddamn Batman? Like I said before, I would've laughed his ass of the stage for such proclaimation.

    Easy Math here; It was Directed by J.J. Abrams and not Michael Bay.
     
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    Why? even Joker though he was Batman at one time.
     
  19. TILALLR1

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    First off, TDK if it had any plot holes, were extremely minor and didn't detract from the story telling. ROTF on the other hand, had so many that it took you right out of the movie.

    Regarding how the Joker was always 2 steps ahead .. its probably because he believed in alot of backup plans. He may have seemed insane (which he was) but he was also a genious. Fine line between the two.
     
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    Agree. That was the one thing I really enjoyed about the Joker, aside from LEdger's amazing interpretation, was how he was always meticulous with his plans and although crazy as shit, still a genius. Not just another dumb villain like so many other movies. Weather they wrote him that way or if it had to do with Ledger's portrayal of the character, either way I loved that about the movie.
     

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