Why doesn't anyone think the Japanese BW's are any good??

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  1. CryoPrime

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    I just watched this movie on youtube(the only Jap. BW's I could find with subs.) and IT was pretty good if you ask me, the plot was a little predictable for the most part, EXCEPT WHEN FREAKING OPTIMUS PRIMAL FROM THE ORIGINAL BW SHOWED UP!. Overall I thought it was pretty cool. So I ask why does everyone hate it so much??

    link to the first chunk of the movie

     
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    I didn't know folks didn't like those shows...

    I've never really heard any hate for them.
     
  3. CryoPrime

    CryoPrime Cody A.

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    I posted a thread earlier asking if anyone knew where I could find subtitled Episodes of BW II or BW Neo and everyone said they were bad and not worth watching, and no one knew where to find 'em online so I scoured Youtube and found this one. Is anyone here a huge fan of these, does anyone love them?! I still can't find NEo with subs. if anyone knows where tell me.
     
  4. Sol Fury

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    They're pretty kiddy and slapstick, especially Beast Wars Second which is on a similar level to RiD. I've never seen enough of them to form a proper judgement, but reading plot summaries and other snippets - Galvatron gets drunk and goes on a rampage? Tasmanian Kid pees on a fire to put it out?

    That's really all I need to know to know I'm not missing anything ground breaking, even though it sounds like it does have its moments.

    The Beast Wars Japanese dub is pretty bad, though. An all-ages show like Beast Wars got dubbed as a complete kid's show for Japan, characters got genders switched (Airrazor), I hear Depth Charge sang a Japanese fishing song whenever he transformed. A fishing song!
     
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    i liked bwII and neo eventhough i dont know japanese. i understood what was going on as its a very juvenile show but that made it easyier to understand also the episodes names make it pretty clear whats going to happen in the episode. its def not for everyone tho.
     
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    At least he did something; when Megatron got drunk in the G1 cartoon all he did was fall over. ;) 
     
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    the jap beast wars show make perfect sense and when you watch Beast wars series , beast wars 2 and the neo it makes sense how events happened in Beast Machines. in Beast Machines nightscream says that cybertron was recovering after a serious event that damaged the planet, im pretty sure he is refering to the return of Unicron in Beast Wars Neo were he is finally destroyed 100% after he takes over Galvatrons body. The events in beast wars 2 and neo make sense and there ment to be all connected and its just a shame hasbro didnt bring them over here as everyone loves Big Convoy!
     
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    I love BW Neo (haven't really watched the Second), but I might be biased ;) 
     
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    Its too bad both those series never got an official dub and release in the states. Hasbro dropped the ball not importing the series and toys here, esp considering how popular BW era was.
     
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    Most of the Japanese BW series actually used rehashed G2 and BW toys that were never released in Japan, VERY few of the toys were original molds and of those, many did eventually get released here (Big Convoy, for instance).
     
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    Yeah, still it was easy money that could have been backed up by a cartoon. Would've made a much better sideline than Universe, then I'd have been able to watch it lol.
     
  12. CryoPrime

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    Does anyone know where to watch subtitled versions online??
     
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    I'm neutral. i neither hate or like them both BW II & Neo, but i like the toys!

    Watched a few clips over on youtube, they seems kinda ok to me (in a silly sort of way)
     
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    There's a pretty big difference between there not being a good sub and the series being horrible.

    I don't know of any good subs out there, and the dubs aren't done AFAIK.

    That said, I did think BWII was pretty lame. Lio Convoy Jr. annoyed me, and most of the plots were easily forgotten. The movie was by far the high point of the series, and I still chuckle every now and then about "You lost already? Good grief you're losers!" or somesuch that Galvatron says in the movie. Additionally, the series didn't really seem to go anywhere. Partly because of the language difference I'm sure, and partly because I honestly think it wasn't written very well, like the "OMG, I forgot that I'm Unicron." bits.

    Now, BWNeo, on the other hand, I thought was a neat show with a neat concept. Kind of Star Trek meets TF, with two ships, two crews each searching the galaxy for energy. The unsocial Big Convoy learning to be a team player and the Maximal crew learning to work together and what their own strengths were worked for me. Sure, it was kiddy, but it changed pace and setting often, and actually grew as a series. By the end of it, the crew that mocked each other and barely tolerated working with one another were fighting as a single unit, each working their own strengths to their advantage and encouraging one another. Personally, I enjoyed it and many of the figures as well.
     
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    I've watched both series in their entirety.

    "Lio Convey in Immediate Danger" was the only good thing about BWII, and even then it was only notable for the cameo by Optimus Primal. The rest of the series is so poorly plotted, paced, written and animated that you'd think the entire production was done during lunch breaks. The characters are all the worst kinds of one-note anime stereotypes and most are too obnoxious for words. The Jointrons' "Frito Bandito" gimmick was funny at first but wore thin very quickly. Nearly all the gags are run into the ground and the series meanders on for 30 more episodes than the flimsy plot could handle.

    BWNeo is a horse of a different color, however. It has a definate direction, with each episode leaving the audience with a definate sense of progress. The plots were certainly fairly predictable, but the (relatively) small cast meant that you could invest more in each character and enjoy their presence a great deal more than in BWII. The last arc of the series was fantastic, featuring the return of Unicron. You may all moan now, but at the time Unicron had not been seen since Transformers 2010 and his resurrection actually felt very epic and special. A shame the series decided to end with a clip show and the most interesting apart about the resolution, the Maximals and Predacons uniting to rebuild their homeworld, was relagated to a still frame montage during the closing credits.

    I found BWII to be the least entertaining Transformers series ever; even worse than the lowest points of the Unicron Trilogy. BWNeo, on the other hand, was one of the strongest Transformer shows that Japan has ever produced (which is saying something, considering they consistently only release BAD Transformers cartoons and butcher our's with their terrible dubbing and editing).
     
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    I honestly don't know a whole lot about 'em. I watched a fan-dub of BW-2 Episode 1 but that was about it. I'm not gonna judge the series based solely on how the toys look and IDW's character bios either. Maybe someday far far away we could get a fo' realz American dub in the same theme of Robots in Disguise, and less like the AEC trilogy.
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  17. Takeshi357

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    I'd NEVER go and judge a series based on a fandub. Not only are they much more subject to translators' whims (some of which are gannonbannity bad), but they do not even have access to the original sound mix, forcing them to shove in the most common library sound effects (And if the Zone fandub is anything to go by, the guy doing the sound mix ain't no pro) which ends up sounding awkward.

    BW era was popular?

    Admittably, BW era is popular...on hindsight. But it definitely falls flat as far as popularity goes, sitting in relative obscurity as the franchise fell out of limelight between G1 and Armada.

    Worse than Victory?
     
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    I LOVE II and Neo, Lio Jr. is one of my all time favorite characters, the Neo Unicron-saga was AMAZING, and generally the whole shabang is totally worth seeing.

    That said, I'd reccomend going for raws, even if you don't speak Japanese, the dubs ain't doing this show any favors (no offense to the fans working on them!), and the subs don't help much either. I've seen the BW II movie subbed, after having watched it a bunch of times raw. Having the subtitles confirmed that I had correctly understood 95%+ of the plot, BUT the ACTUAL dialogue was pretty cringe-worthy.

    For example, the scene where Galvatron seduces Lio Jr. over to the Destrons remains one of my favorite scenes in all of Transformers, the direction the timing, the animation, the voice acting all GREAT. However it's pretty unbearable with subs, as Galvatron is actually warning Jr. about the wild-animals, and how he should be scared of them...

    Anyway, there're not downloadable anywhere, but I know where you can get raws if anyomne wants, PM me.

    How can you hate Victory??? (This is a rhetorical question, don't want to jack the thread, and you love season-3, so you're cool regardless ;) )


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    *You wanna talk unappreciated TF-story-lines, the Japanese G1 PS2 game has a CRAZY cool plot, if pretty horrible game play*
     
  19. walruslaw

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    i loved the story of the Tataki game too unfortunately ya have to play the actual game which is a bit mind numbing at times.

    some of the raw episodes of both series can be found on you tube at the moment. http://uk.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=TorkTwister

    like destrongerlupus said the raws are your best bet at the moment as only 12 eps of beast wars II have been subtitled and as far as im aware about 10 episodes of neo also the Beast wars II part of the Beast Wars Special movie.

    i dont know any streaming sites or direct download places for the subs but i think you may find them on torrents or somewhere like the iocon hub on dc++
     
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    No, he wasn't referring to any attack by Unicron. That event did not exist in the US continuity of Beast Wars.

    Considering how vastly different Hasbro treated Beast Wars and Beast Machines compared to the awful treatment of the Beast Wars franchise in Japan, it was a bloody good job Hasbro never brought those series here.

    I mean, BW2 and Neo didn't even fit the tone of the US series. The tone was based upon the high camp comedy japanese dub of the first season of US Beast Wars. While there was plenty of humour in the original US Beast Wars, there's a line between western comedy and comparatively low-brow asian comedy.

    Wasn't that actually pretty racist by our standards?

    Yes, it was. No, it was not 'in hindsight'.

    Why do you think the toys did so well?

    What is the purpose of watching a series or movie where one have absolutely no idea what the characters are saying due to a lack of subtitles?
     

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