Why does it matter how much the movie makes?

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  1. Grandum

    Grandum Well-Known Member

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    OK..so the constant linking to box office mojo and all the DOTM made $xxx million is starting to anoy me.

    Of course it matters in a sense that it needs to make back the money it cost, and some profit...but beyond that...what does it matter?

    I mean it's not like it's an indication of how good the movie is, if anything it's a measurement of how good the marketing around it is, what other movies are running and what kind of expectations people have of it.

    If it was a measurement of how good the movie was then you'd pay what you thought it was worth after going to see it.

    From wikipedias listing of the 50 highest grossing films (List of highest-grossing films - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia):

    "Eighty percent of the films in the top 50 were released after 2000, while no film prior to 1977 appears in the chart because ticket-price inflation, population size and ticket purchasing trends are not considered. 2009 is the most represented year on the chart with seven films. Next stands 2010 with six. Figures are given in United States dollars (USD)."

    *List*

    "Issues with calculation

    Due to the long-term effects of inflation, notably the significant increase of movie theater ticket prices, the list unadjusted for inflation gives far more weight to more recent films; a film in 1910, given much lower ticket prices at that time, would have to sell close to 100 times as many tickets as a 2007 film in order for the two to have equal gross takings. Further complications are added by changing currency values.

    The unadjusted list, while commonly found in the press, is therefore largely meaningless for comparing films widely separated in time, as many films from earlier eras will never appear on a modern unadjusted list, despite achieving higher commercial success when adjusted for price increases. Some have suggested that studios prefer not to make inflation adjustments because doing so would reduce the grossing numbers and eliminate the ability to advertise new box-office records.

    Yet another complication that has mainly arisen since 2000 is releases in multiple formats for which different ticket prices are charged. One notable example was Mamma Mia!, which benefitted from a sing-a-long rerelease for karaoke fans. Another notable example of this phenomenon is Avatar, which was released in 3D and IMAX. Almost two-thirds of tickets for that film were for 3D showings with an average price of $10, and about one-sixth were for IMAX showings with an average price over $14.50, compared to a 2010 average price of $7.61 for 2D films.

    In the United States and Canada, which the U.S. film industry considers to be a single market, Box Office Mojo, Guinness World Records, and Entertainment Weekly all claim that Gone With The Wind is domestically the highest-grossing film of all time when adjusted for inflation."



    DOTM is (at least in my country) doing the same thing avatar did with prices, only that now it's about $10 more than Avatars tickets was, and whilst 66% of Avatars tickets sales came from the more expensive 3D tickets, DOTMs percenteage will be alot higher since 2D shows (which still have a higher price compared to other 2D movies) are hard tocome by:

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    so...my question to you is...why does it matter?
     
  2. jon5000

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    It's good that the brand is successful.

    But then vanilla is the most popular flavour of ice cream. It's far from an indication of whether it's any good or not.
     
  3. Grandum

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    Oh absolutely, I agree - but what I want to know is why we bother after it's been stated that the movie was a success, what difference does it make if it makes $500 million or $900 million?
     
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    Cause we want to beat everything else out or coming out.
     
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    In a more general sense, it's good to know that the brand is successful, as even if you don't like the movies, it still means more money for Hasbro to put into things that you do or might like.

    As to the almost pornographic given to exactly how much it makes or what records it breaks, then yeah, I don't really get why it's such a big deal either.
     
  6. TigerClaw

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    i think it does matter, All that money it made was not because of the fandom, But it was seen by people who may have grown up watching the original G1 cartoon and took there kids to see the movie with them.

    When these films make back its money, Its a guarantee that the studio will green light another one.
     
  7. Bottom Out

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    generally the amount of money a franchise makes IS an indication on how "good"it is in the public's eye. The more money made = the more people who went to see it = the chances for another movie increase
     
  8. Grandum

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    I don't think that's necesarily the case, I mean if so we'd see be able to see Titanic 2, Inception 2, The sixth sense 2, Forrest Gump 2, ET 2...and even more Harry Potter movies and Star wars movies.
     
  9. Hot Shot.

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    Because the film being profitable helps people convince themselves that it was TEH BEST MOVIE EVAR.
     
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    I say its a good thing. I am a GI JOE collector and trying to buy toys for a failing franchise is really a bummer. You never can find stuff you want. Transformers are everywhere and it makes it more fun to collect them and enjoy them.
    Thats what were here for enjoyment right.
     
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    More $$$ = More movies!!
     
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    I completely agree. Simply put, the more money Dark of the Moon makes. The more likely we'll see more Transformer movies with another director. So, hoping it breaks box office records pretty much assures that.
     
  13. Grandum

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    ok, so you didn't read my post...so I'll just state it again:




    Or to use your model:

    The more money made = the more it cost to go see it/the more the dollar lost in value = the chances for another movie increase...or does it?

    I went to see Avatar in 3D for about 2/3 of the price of DOTM..to spell it out for you - it means that in order to make as much money on DOTM you would only need 67% of the people who went to see Avatar to go see DOTM to make as much money.

    But to make it even clearer - DOTM is not as available in 2D as Avatar was, which means that you would maybe only need 55-60% of the people who saw Avatar to see DOTM...you see how your calculation goes out the window? It does NOT mean that more people went to see it.
     
  14. TomSwingin

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    The more money it makes the stronger the brand becomes. Hence allowing more movies, toys, comics, etc... Hasbro has seen huge gains thanks to the success of the movies. Which benefits ALL fans, whether they love the movies or hate them.
     
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    its to pay actors and get better equipment for future movies.



    but some will go to hasbro as well, to make theyre toys better.
     
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    It only bugs people who hated it and want it to fail. And most of those try to dismiss how successful it is. Fine, it's 500 mil because of 3d. 250mill is still great.
     
  17. Crainy

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    I doesnt matter.
     
  18. Grandum

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    Not so, I haven't seen it, I may loathe and dispise the first 2, but I'm not in denial over the success, and as a fan I am happy that they are a success...it's not what it could have been...but that doesn't make it any less of a success.

    I just don't get why we have to get into a ****measuring contest over what made the most money - stating that it was a success should be enough without daily reports of how much money it's made.
     
  19. Chris McFeely

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    Nerd-based brand pride.
     
  20. TigerClaw

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    Yeah, I believe movies like this make the studios enough money to allow them to upgrade there equipment and keep up with changing technology.

    Today film makers can shoot film at 4k using those red cameras, in a couple of years from now, every movie will be shot on 4k quality since theaters now have digital 4k projectors.
     

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