Customs: Why do we do it? A Bashing General Discussion

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  1. autobotx23

    autobotx23 Banned

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    I can't tell you how many extra duckets I've spent on gas. Not because of a longer commute, or my local Post Office was closed, but because that TFTM Bumblebee 2008 Concept Camaro was hard to find when released. This mission was not undetaken just for my personal collection. Oh no. One for my shelf, and one to be dismantled, stripped, modded, repainted and reassembled as a Soundwave. I wanted to bash one that badly, I was willing to pay what was even thien "ungodly" gas prices to hunt these bad boys down.

    I thought this was just my personal passion, until I talked to Plowking (Eric) on the phone. We were talking about Bill (TFMASTER RIP) and he mentioned he got to meet him, and how they went toy hunting. Aha! So it isn't just me!

    But why do we do it? Why do we sacrifice the sliced finger tips, super glued appendages and clothing, the smell of burnt plastic from Dremeling and soldering metal pins just to take a tire off? Why is is when I had a day off, with the munchkin and wife gone for the day that I eventually wander towards "Have I taken that _____ apart yet?" Let's not discuss the cost of the figures themselves, cost of 91% alcohol and band aids, styrene, super glue..well, you feel me. Lest but not least, the rude Target and Walmart Customer Service (and I use that term loosely) Associates. Could they find their ass if you handed it too them? Okay, that was mean..but tell me you haven't wanted to slap one, EVEN ONCE, even if you work there?

    I guess for a few of us, the reason is now financially motivated. Out of work, shortened hours or maybe just to support the hobby, we need the cash. So why not? Anyone who can turn a $20 figure into a $100 one should get every penny for it.( or a multi-thousand dollar one. You da man, F_R!!) But that is a recent motivation, more of a blessing than a reason.

    For me, it's a lot of reasons. I do like the therapy of taking one apart, especially after a bad day. (TTT must be like, zen) I love the feeling of accomplishment, like when you can see it come together into what you envision, or when you get to TF it the first time, and nothing falls of. :rock 
    Mainly though, cause I'm an artist. Despite the medium, I think we all are. Some of us are closer to getting their imagination to reality with our bashing, but each one of us are some creative reverse-engineering bastards.

    Just putting it out there. Feel free to leave your :2c: .

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  2. Ezilla82

    Ezilla82 Expect the Unexpected.

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    Wow, dude you really laid that one real thick. Well for me I'm just starting to do it so that makes me a "bashing virgin", I guess and of course I made some mistakes, but lucky I've learned from them and do my best. I guess like you say because we're all artist and the rush of accomplishment to create your own Transformer character or from the Transformers Universe and beyond. I've looked at some and I'm freakin' blown away from the creavitity these artists have and I've gotten some pointers from them to do my own very soon. So what the gas prices are high, but that won't stop us from bashing Transformers and other genres in the process.
     
  3. Yodaporn

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    ::holds up a lighter:: Good speech, sir.

    I'm not sure what started it for me. I think I had started doing gundam kits, when they were available in the mainstream stores, then later I started on transformers. I think my motivation for doing transformers was I thought I could do better paint jobs than hasbro.

    Though lately I've been watching various auctions, and I'm seriously considering going into high gear, and cranking more out just to sell on ebay.
     
  4. Geminii

    Geminii Toyetic multiformophile

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    Haven't started, myself, but it's looking more and more like I'm going to end up heading in that direction.

    For me it's that my fancharacters tend to be very toyetic, more often than not getting a realizable design before such trivialities as, y'know, actual characterization. Or a name.

    Being able to move something from the mental scratchboard to a physical scratchbuild would be several shades of awesome.
     
  5. returnofplex

    returnofplex Well-Known Member

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    The reason I bash is because I'm a picky bastard, and Hasbro/Takara almost always do one or two things "wrong" to the figures I collect. Whether it's painting some eyes blue, or using chemicals to remove that god awful neon yellow paint, theres almost always some work to be done. I collect Optimus Prime like a madman, and of the US mainstream releases, I can't think of one right now that I haven't changed in some way.
    But I do agree that bashing is therapeutic. It's a way to just escape from the normalcies of life and relax.
     
  6. Nemesis Predaking

    Nemesis Predaking Offical Enforcer WTF@TFW Veteran

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    Why do I bash ??? Cuz PK wouldn't make the rest of the Nem Preds for me. :p 

    But seriously, If not for PK (& SQ7). I would not be doing this crazy thing we call kitbashing.
    When I started less then a year ago (Oct 07) I only had the intension's of making the rest of the Nemesis Predacons.
    After that, it was all down hill from there. Botcon Seekers, Vector's Tribute (R.I.P), Fixing Classics Megs & now for me BW: Animated.
    Each one is a new set of challenges & a chance to "step up my game". From day one my goal has been to improve with every bash I do.
    It's never been about extra $$$ for me. I only have one custom that is not in my collection.
    The best part for me, is when I finish a bash & sit back and look at it. 9 times out of 10 I say to myself "Damn, I did that !!!"
    Little did I know I would be sucked in by this art form & hobby. As well as meet so many great Artists & (even though we have never met face to face)so many good friends
     
  7. deliciouspeter

    deliciouspeter Back in Black TFW2005 Supporter

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    Great essay. I'm a professional painter, and this is a completely different facet of painting for me, painting on a three dimensional object. It's a bit thereputic and a bit challenging and a bit embarrassing, but I still do it at every opportunity. I mostly buy new toys now with the intention to repaint them.
     
  8. plowking

    plowking I'm with ErechOveraker. Veteran

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    :lol 
     
  9. plowking

    plowking I'm with ErechOveraker. Veteran

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    Hmmmm.....Why?

    I do it because it brings me joy.
    I do it because it helps me to relax (sometimes :p )
    I do it because I see something for what it can be, not what it is.
    I do it to see if I can do it.
    I do it because I get bored.
    I do it because its fun.
    I do it for me.

    There are plenty of reasons why I do it. A lot of them are because of the feelings you get before, during and after the bash is complete. Like NP said, its nothing like that feeling when you have completed a bash and you sit back and stare at it and think "Dang....I did that?" thats a cool feeling....

    I never really got into selling them (not including when I purged my collection) but I do buy them from time to time (I have a list of fave artists :D )

    When I see a guys work go low, I feel kinda bad for the artist....even if I am the winner/buyer...cause I know what goes into these customs/bashes....

    Thats why I have always said, do it for yourself FIRST. If you love it, who am I to argue with you and tell you that it sucks or you didnt do it right?....whose to say my way is right anyways?!...

    IF you love it....thats all that maters....if we like it, thats just a bonus...thats my motto.

    Do it cause you wanna do it.....rather it be for profit, or just for your own personal pleasure/collection.

    Do it for yourself.
     
  10. plowking

    plowking I'm with ErechOveraker. Veteran

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    Oh yeah....very good discussion topic you got going AX23.

    I understood and "felt" everything you were saying :thumb 
     
  11. frenzyrumble

    frenzyrumble Banned

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    awesome topic ax23.

    after some thought, there are a hundred reasons why I do it, but 1 that stands above and away from the others.

    I have a strong passion for art, and a strong passion for Transformers. Creating customs allows me to combine the 2 into something real.
     
  12. REDLINE

    REDLINE longer days, plz? Veteran

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    fun and freedom. Its a great creative outlet. I get to make toys for myself that we'll never get from Hasbro OR Takara/Tomy.
     
  13. big hank

    big hank Resident Slacker-Basher

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    For me, I totally dig taking a figure and modifying it, trying to capture that image in your mind and making come to life!! I'm a natural tinkerer, and combining the artistic side and the engineering/troubleshooting side to accomplish an idea gives me a little bit of a rush! I like when you visualize something and pull it off just like you envisioned it, I like when you come across an unforeseen obstacle and have to work your way around it!! I like when you come sooo close to butchering or botching up something and pull it off in the last moment!

    I really love seeing how others interpret a character or achieve an effect!! It amazes me the way you all think and see "beyond"!! I love how you could give us all the same toy, say "do whatever" and we would all return with something different!! Now THAT'S art!!

    I also admire, respect, and appreciate the comradery and fellowship displayed on the Radicons site!! I don't think I have read a negative post toward another artist yet!! Constructive criticism is always a useful tool, it helps push us all to better our skills. Radicons, to me, provide a very positive forum to discuss and display our works. This kind of support also keeps us motivated to want to keep bashing!!

    Sorry for the long read, but I just gotta say:

    Deluxe TF figure, $10
    Time and materials, $ way more than I thought
    Showing your art on Radicons, PRICELESS!!!

    I can't really remember NOT doing it, to some degree. I started like many of you, modifying car models and such. Then I moved on to aircraft models. then I discovered mechs and Japanese animation (Galaxy Express, Captain Harlock anyone?)!! I remember my first mech model, Raydeen from the Shogun Warriors (yes, I'm that old). We're talkin' like 6-7 years before G1!! So when G1 finally hit, I knew I found the toyline to end all toylines!! Truly incredible, toys that you interacted with and they challenged you back! Two toys in one, and the classic struggle between good and evil! Add to that characters and personalities that are as unique as we are, and you can't go wrong!!:thumb 
     
  14. anovasinn

    anovasinn THE PAINTS MUST FLOW!!!

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    well everybody already nailed it on the head for me. as far as making money on your work that is a flipping art in of itself. an art of which ppl tend to be tight lipped about. thank god for google:D .

    plowking helped me out when i was frustrated a while back he told me to do it for yourself 1st and everything else is just extra. i already knew this but needed to be reminded. also i do it to relax sometimes i feel a zen like state when working.
     
  15. Nemesis Predaking

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    Seems like PK has left his mark on most bashers here.
     
  16. autobotx23

    autobotx23 Banned

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    Definitely second that. I think that PK has been a strong encouragement factor for all of us. Also, one of the reasons why TFW2005 is my bash home, is because we encourage an environment of mutual exchange and advancement.
     
  17. encline

    encline customizer of love TFW2005 Supporter

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    Well, lets see:

    1: Chicks dig it
    2: Money
    3: To show how much better I am than every other person on the face of this planet.
    4: It will make me famous
    5: Women
    6: Minorities like it
    7: It can cure all the worlds problems

    Not really. Minorities don't like it.

    :) 

    But for real. I have always loved art. I have always been a Transformers fan. I know this sounds silly, but before I joined TFW2005, I was thinking, "it would be cool to paint me classic Megs with his g1 colors because it looks stupid in white." Little did I know about the Transformers kitbash world at the time.
    A little about me. My wife and I wanted to move to Domincan Republic for a while to do Bible Education work (I am not trying to get preachy!:p ) and we were sold almost everything we owned to simplify our lives. My custom airbrushing was kinda slow, So I decided to check Radicons. The movie was coming out, so low and behold, I saw Jins custom movie Bumblebee. I said hmmm, I will paint mine, that looks cool. Then I started looking at all the other artists work and was BLOWN AWAY!!!!
    Then I looked at eBay!!!!! I said, you know, I want to do something and see if I could sale it. I painted a G1 style Leader Megs and Prime and put them on ebay. I had zero feedback and they didn't sale. HAHA!! Then I sold a custom Prime Helmet for $20. Got some good feedback, and then it is has good. The I did the Leader Nemesis Prime with Blue Fire and skulls, and was blow away when it sold for $500.00 and then fellow board member Nemesis Kidd ordered one.

    When Nemesis Kidd ordered one, that is when it hit me. Why I do this.
    I may not be able to collect many Transformers anymore, because I will be traveling in my volunteer work, but there are others with the same connections with Transformers that I have.
    When I make a custom, I always think about what would I like to have in my collection, what can I do to have a unique approach to this custom, what would somebody like to have in there collection and be proud of.
    I know I am by far not the greatest at customizing, that is why I really am glad for RADICONS and happy to feel like I have friends that help me with what I do. I am also very satisfied when I know a fellow fan appreciates what I do.

    So.. yeah, for money, girls, and fame:) 
    Plus it is so dang cool to say, "I custom paint Transformers" and be proud of it!!!

    RADICONS-Dress Up, and Go out!!


    Seriously, we need shirts and to try to have a get together soon.
     
  18. frenzyrumble

    frenzyrumble Banned

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    im game for a get together. we should do it in Vegas. I always love excuses to go to Vegas. but you can't come encline unless you bring sandwich girl ;) 
     
  19. big hank

    big hank Resident Slacker-Basher

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    Maybe we could hold an "official" trip in the future! I'm always up for a trip, plus I haven't been to Vegas in about 4-5 years! Maybe we should pick a future date, maybe around Jan. to give us all time to plan! It would be so awesome to put some faces to the names, and shake some hands!!
     
  20. encline

    encline customizer of love TFW2005 Supporter

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    HAHAH. I am sandwich girl!! HAHA.

    Vegas!! Man, another thing about about being a RADICON for me is, I'm broke!! :) 

    I would like to visit there though.

    You know, Jan or Feb sounds good. But maybe would could find a more central location for all....wait a minute, flight to Vegas are pretty cheap huh!!!

    I am game.
     

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