Why did the critcs like TF1 better than AOE?

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  1. Dmhead

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    Enlighten me please. TF1 had almost none transformers character, but the plot was better?

    *I spelled critics wrong on the thread title, sorry for that*
     
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    Mostly because they only really give a crap about the Human character more than anything else.

    It's way too common.
     
  3. Autobot Burnout

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    It wasn't written by Kruger.
     
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    TF1 was generally a better film. AOE was filled with flaws.

    - Too many plots: CW hunting TF, KSI building Decepticons, Creators hunting Optimus, Cade and Tessa's father/daughter squabbling.

    - Unlikable Autobots: Seriously, is killing all they're interested in? They threaten to kill each other, the main humans, they do kill two aliens, and Bee assaults an inanimate object. This really works against the films attempts to make us sympathize with them.

    - Tessa being 17: It's creepy and serves no purpose outside of helping Bay get off.

    - Legendary Warriors: The Dinobots were the main part of the film's marketing, but only turned up for a few minutes, were pointless, weren't properly explained, didn't speak, weren't named individually, and weren't even called Dinobots.

    -Dumb humans: Seriously, the people at KSI are stupid. They somehow don't figure out that the TF they built out of Megatron, which they can't stop looking like Megatron, is actually Megatron. Plus, why did they call it Galvatron if it was meant to be based on Optimus Prime? And why did Megatron keep using a name given to him by humans?

    - Awful dialog: I felt the dialog in this film was perhaps the worst of all the TF films. Pretty much everything Lockdown says is ridiculous, and barely makes sense.

    - Continuity problems: So were the Autobots made by the Creators, or the Allspark? You could say the Creators made the Allspark, but Optimus claimed nobody knew where it came from. Wouldn't the logical assumption be the thing that made them was made by their creators? Or did the Creators just use it without knowing where it came from? If that's the case, they could have said so.

    And that's just off the top of my head.
     
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    Cause ROTF didn't happen yet.
     
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    TF1 was an introduction to the universe, so the wait for the robot characters to appear on screen is more justified, and it gave their appearances more impact. TF1 is also a better paced movie with a tighter script. AOE really could have been trimmed in places, and it tried to do way too much in the third act. With that being said, I don't think AOE deserves the lowest Rotten Tomatoes rating of the franchise because it was an improvement over the other two sequels.
     
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    Yeah. Critics, fans, "mainstream media", and pretty much anybody who bashes on the films for fun, are never going to review a Transformers film the way they would've if ROTF wasn't as bad as it was. Even if they crank out a film that gets to 90% on the RT meter, they'll never forget ROTF.

    That's not to say DOTM and AOE were terrific masterpieces of film that wouldn't have been criticized, but you're lying to yourself if you think ROTF didn't taint the way the aforementioned people saw the Transformers films from that point on.
     
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    I always think it's because it was the first Transformers film, they hadn't seen anything like that before so they overlooked the flaws.
     
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    But it WAS written by Orci and Kurtzman, so...
     
  10. Solrac333

    Solrac333 G1 got it right!

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    Did anyone watch the commentary on ROTF? Parts of the movie had Bay commenting and parts had Orci and Kurtzman. During the kitchen scene, Orci and Kurtzman wanted more scenes with Sam and Mikaela. I liked what Bay had to say a lot more than those two.
     
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    TF1 was a better, more coherent movie than AOE.

    Also, AOE, despite improving on a couple of things, like the robot's interaction, still failed to improve on a lot of other things (or actually made them worse: runtime, coherence, too in your face advertising). That's pretty amazing as it's the fourth movie.

    It's only logical that critics would be less forgiving. Had AOE actually been the first movie it might've received slightly higher ratings (still not a very good movie, however).
     
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    Because it is by far the best of the films. Good pacing, a plot that makes at least some sense, and likeable characters (Autobots included).

    It's no Schindler's list, but its good at what it tries to be, which is a fun summer scifi movie.

    The other movies all have tons of issues - too long, annoying/unlikable characters (autobots included), nonsensical plot, you name it. TF1 is a masterpiece compared to any of them.
     
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    Nothing short of a total purge of everything currently in the movie series, a year or two break before even announcing a reboot, and then hiring somebody who actually respects the source material at all for all the major production roles or is at least willing to become somewhat fluent in the material to do justice to the actual Transformers, those are the minimum requirements for the TF movies having a shot at leaving a trifecta of universally despised films (ROTF, DOTM, and AoE - personally for what it is I thought DOTM was decent enough but it's usually on the same "worst films ever" lists as ROTF and the fact AoE denied it being the conclusion retroactively weakens it further) out of future considerations of later incarnations. At least, that's what worked for Spidey's reboot and everybody forgot how badly Doc Ock was off the mark in SM2 or that SM3 exists.

    It also probably doesn't help that the leading stars for the first three films are probably as close to negative publicity as they can be without getting "WINNNING!" Sheen involved. I don't think Megan Fox has been in a profitable or well-written film since leaving after ROTF, and Shia...well, he's not the kind of guy Hasbro really wants associated with one of their major toy brands anymore after the solid series of incidents LaBeouf has gotten into (the paper bag thing, he plagurized his appology in response to being caught plagerizing some other guy's script, the whole thing with the porno shoot or something, plus the fact he's a sub-par actor anyway).

    But what I wouldn't do for a reboot where Lennox was the main actor. That guy was just a total badass and awesome all the time. Unquestionably my favorite character from the films, second place going to Epps and third place being Seymour "ONE MAN, ALONE" Simmons. Those three would have great chemistry as the leads in a Transformers film.
     
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    Between these two posts they pretty much nailed it. TF1 had character and a coherent plot. Hell the damn movie still gives me chills when the Autobots roll in (I love the music in all of the movies, but he hit it out of the park in the first). Compare that to AOE where I need the robots to stop talking and fit more. That's pretty much it. No plot, no character development and the dialogue is cringe worthy.

    Huge difference in quality between the two films with the first being far superior despite a few flaws.
     
  16. Ephland

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    In my opinion, the ONLY reason anyone likes TF1 better than the other films in the franchise is because it has the benefit of introducing real-world Transformers to the movie screen.

    It has the same awful humor, paper thin plot, utterly awful dialogue and absolutely dreadful scene construction as the other 3 films.
     
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    TF1 definitely shares many of the flaws the following three have, but the film did manage to do some things better than it's successors.

    - Plot: The story is overly stuffed, with the soldier plot, Sam plot, hacker plot, and Autobot arrival plot, but unlike in AOE, it's all tied together by a single overarching plot. The Decepticons' search for Meg, and the Allspark.

    - Tone: Something that TF1 has over both DOTM and AOE is not being so serious. It's not so gloomy, there aren't scenes like people exploding, the 'Bots being forced off Earth, or being hunted by humans. It's easier to ignore flaws when the film isn't trying to get you to take it seriously.

    - Autobots: AOE definitely gets points for all the 'Bots getting clear personalities, OP's arc, improving Bee's character, and in general trying it's hardest to show the 'Bots are alive. However, TF1 did give all it's 'Bots some personality, and doesn't have useless comic relief only characters, raising it above ROTF, and DOTM. Most importantly, it didn't have the 'Bots trying to kill things every five seconds

    - Decepticons: AOE kinda gets a pass since it puts them in the background, which is acceptable after three films of them (especially with how pathetic they were in ROTF and DOTM). TF1, however, makes them the main villains, and not only do they handle infiltration pretty well, they were all very powerful. To list just a few instances of their power, Blackout wiping out that base, Brawl requiring most the 'Bots to team up, and Meg throwing around OP.
     
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    I'll fully agree that AOE and TF1 are very different movies in terms of characterization, structure, and tone. But the differences TF1 has doesn't make it a "better" movie, in my opinion.
     
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    I have to agree with Ephland. The robot characterization and action is nowhere near that of AOE, and their voice acting is way better in the sequels, too. I really find the humans in the first film besides Simmons, Epps, and Lennox unlikable or unrelatable. I actually find it to be the worst paced of the bunch. The story in both DOTM and AOE is way better in my opinion. TF 1 is definitely not the best; depending on the day either 2007 or ROTF is the worst for me.
     
  20. jru42287

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    Because TF1 didn't suck.

    News flash: Critics don't judge how good of a Transformer film it is, they judge how good of a film it is. A critic (or hell, the general population for that matter) couldn't care less how many different TFs are in a movie. They care about whether it was entertaining.

    I know we all hate that the humans take time away from the Bots, but for the rest of the world, that kind of needs to happen. The human characters become a surrogate to the viewer for the action.

    In TF1, Sam is just a regular kid, like you or I would have been in high school, who gets accidentally sucked into something much bigger than him. In AoE, Cade (who is pretty un-relatable to anyone), thrusts himself into things, which no smart person would ever do.
     

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