Why did the Ark crash?

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  1. Poho

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    If Sentinel was supposed to meet Megatron on the moon with the pillars, why would the cons be chasing it and shooting it? To maintain the ruse, right? But wait, they actually damaged it, causing it to crash on the moon instead, killing everyone but Sentinel, and even then seriously messig him up, hindering their plans.

    So either some Decepticons didn't get the memo, or there is a plot hole in the movie right there. Or I missed something.
     
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    Because Starscream shot it down, and Starscream does not care for Megger's plans.
     
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    I would say plot hole since there's no solid explanation for why Megatron and Sentinel Prime were headed out to Earth, besides TF1's explanation that Megatron was after the AllSpark.
     
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    The only thing I can figure is that Megaton had traced the Allspark to Earth, then went back to Cybertron to make plans with SP, then went back to Earth and ended up getting frozen in ice for a few hundred thousand years.

    The thing I don't get is if the Ark was damaged and drifting though space, why didn't either side try to salvage her. I'm under the impression that it took her a few thousand years to drift to our moon. More than enough time for the Bots or Cons to get her before she left their system.
     
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    In algebraic terms
    if x=why the ark crashed and y=how bumblebee lost his legs, x=y
     
  6. erjaho0614

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    I really think that the Sentinel Prime mission, until we find out when Megatron made the deal with him, doesn't fit with what we know about the movie continuity's timeline or events.
     
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    It came across to me based on Megatron telling Starscream about "need to know" that the true nature of the mission was secret to everyone but Megatron and Sentinel.
     
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    megs couldn't have at least said, there is a ship taking off, don't shoot it?
     
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    Or maybe they intended for it to look like an accident so the autobots wont suspect, starscream took it a little too far and untintentionaly screwed it up.
     
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    were the bots transporting SP in the Ark defected autobots?
     
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    Maybe nobody knew about it except Megatron and Sentinel.

    I'm more concerned with the time of the crash...haven't seen the movie yet but is it true that it crashes into the moon in 1961, or is that when they find it? If it crashes in that year, does this mean the battle on Cybertron was still going on in that year, and the Autobots only fled the planet afterwards, long after Megatron left to chase the Allspark? Or dit the Ark just fly through space with a firey engine for millennia? :lol 

    ROTF was equally weird - only putting 8000 years between the first Primes' demise and the crash of the Allspark :S
     
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    This. Starscream has that habbit of over doing orders.

    ex: Spitting on sam after splitting the car in half he was in while smacking the ground with he hand.

    Toying with Sam and Carly in Chicago as apposed to just blowing them up.

    Instead of killing sam like he was supposed to in the forest he goes after Optimus completely forgetting that he was originally chasing sam.

    Shooting a shit ton of missiles at Bumblebee and the twins alerting them to his position before finally transforming and trying to stop them.

    Starscream's opportunistic predatory attitude is what gets him so into what hes doing which usually results in him over doing it sometimes.
     
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    While it's not clear in the film, Starscream was the one who attacked the Ark - this was obviously in the movie script, because he's the one responsible in both the comics and the novelization. And the movie makes it clear Starscream didn't know about Megatron and Sentinel's deal - Megatron actively has to explain it to him in the Washington scene. So the answer is - Starscream's a doofus.

    On the subject of time and salvage, though, the "Foundation" comic and the prose story "Convergence" has expanded upon this by showing that after being attacked, the Ark appears to actually *explode*, and it believed to have actually been atomized, rather than just drifting away. But what actually happens is that the space bridge aboard inadvertently teleports the Ark away through both space and time, bouncing around a bit before it automatically locks on to the energy of the AllSpark and is drawn to Earth, crashing on the Moon in 1961.
     
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    I really didn't get that. 10,000 BC makes absolutely no sense. Not only that, but it was actually (supposedly) two thousand years between these two incidents. Not eight.
     
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    yeah it happened around 1961. the crash is what started the space race to the moon.

     
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    Good question.
     
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    This is the single best answer to everything ever.
     
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    For one thing Megatron knew where the Allspark was going to crash because Sentinel Prime told him as he defected.

    The Ark with its sophisticated sensors knew where it was headed. Megatron went ahead to take it. Or Sentinel arranged its trajectory towards Earth.

    But wait what about the Fallen and Sentinel Prime? The Fallen wanted every bot named Prime dead. Here's the thing, Megatron had Sentinel Prime's death faked!*

    Megatron wanted to use Sentinel Prime to kill the Fallen. Consolidate his leadership on both factions by killing the Decepticon founder and having support of the Autobot founder.

    When Starscream attacked the Ark on Cybertron. and sent it spiraling into space, Sentinel Prime was thought destroyed. And Sentinel's death was faked. But eventually when the Ark crashed on the moon, he and the crew were killed.*They were meant to meet up sometime after Megatron retrieved the Cube, but he got iced.

    With Sam in possession of the Matrix of Leadership in Egypt, Megatron would have taken it to revive Sentinel so he could kill the Fallen. If Optimus was revived, the war between the Autobots and Decepticons would continue. Which is what happened.

    So by pure faith, Optimus came into possession of the Matrix of Leadership - The only thing that could only reawaken a Prime.

    During that time, Soundwave and Laserbeak had been collecting Sentinel's space bridge pillars off from across the moon.
     
  19. Chris McFeely

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    No, the Primes came to Earth in 17,000 BC, and the AllSpark crashed in 10,000 BC.

    (And guys, I know we're used to thinking in "millions" when it comes to Transformers - but thousands of years? NOOOT a short amount of time.)
     
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    If the war had been raging for thousands of years on Cybertron and Megatron had been gone for most of that time looking for the AllSpark, why weren't the Autobots able to end the war without Megatron's leadership? Plus, if the war was thousands of years old, why is it that battles are much more decisive on Earth than back on Cybertron? Lots of little nitpicking things here but goes to how deep this continuity actually is.
     

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