Why did Has/Tak bother to remold the Prime figures?

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  1. Shizuka

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    Seriously. Why?
     
  2. wildfly

    wildfly Right notes. Wrong order.

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    Remold?

    1) To incorporate new features.

    2) To save money

    3) To save money and make us think it's for some other reason by incorporating supposedly new features.
     
  3. TrueNomadSkies

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    Yeah, not to mention to make toys that people can actually transform without instructions...
     
  4. wildfly

    wildfly Right notes. Wrong order.

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    They're making toys for kids now? When did this start? Hasbro totally sold us out!
     
  5. Kaymac

    Kaymac I'M REALLY FEELIN' IT!

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    Because they had to make them smaller to fit the "new scale". Bullshit.
     
  6. Robogeek28

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    Just to piss you off.


    Did it work?
     
  7. wildfly

    wildfly Right notes. Wrong order.

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    I'm a hardcore fan: So Hasbro have never done anything right.
     
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    Not really a remold, but a literal new mold.
     
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  10. ssjkazer

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    lol FE line was supposed to be for the classics line why do you think wheeljack and kup got put in 3 waves...

    and r.i.d prime was supposed to be the actule line

    though i would like to point out all the toys in the FE line look like there older versions of the characters not as in old toys but literally more grown up
     
  11. Timesynch

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    1) To save money on plastics. The new molds are smaller and simplified with fewer parts.

    2) To make them easier for kids to transform. New molds are much more simplified than the FE molds.

    3) To fit more gimmicks into the figures. Kids like gimmicks. Parents like to make their kids happy. Ergo, parents buy more Transformers. Hasbro makes profit.

    4) Last but not least, to piss off and confuse their adult collector fan base. =)
     
  12. CZ Hazard

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    I have absolutely no evidence for this, but I feel like Takara designed FE and Hasbro designed the RID lines, even though this flies in the face of the brand line of "we develop all new figures collaboratively."
    Of course, PCC, Real Gear and SW:TF show that, no, they don't.
     
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    So... they can fit more gimmicks into smaller toys than larger toys?

    How does that work? Mass shifting?
     
  14. wildfly

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    It's impossible to completely rule out cost-cutting......

    ...but i thought Wheeljack came out pretty well, not too simple or 'cheap', TBH.
     
  15. bigkid24

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    I don't see the logic in the move. If they wanted to save money then why create the FE molds in the first place?
     
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    Because the FE don't have the gimmicks that the RID line has so they have to make new molds in order for them to fit in. Besides the RID Arcee and Vehicon are actually better then their FE versions. I seriously doubt that Hasbro did this move just to make hardcore fans angry. They also have kids to cater to too.
     
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    Yes, is that so hard to believe?

    Deluxe/Revealers have a head-reveal automorph gimmick.

    Voyagers/Powerizers have the translucent plastic with light-up LED mechtech weapon gimmicks.

    Leaders/Weaponizers have the full gamut of pop-up weapons, lights and sounds, and voice gimmicks we've come to expect from Leader toys.

    I didn't say they were new gimmicks. It's stuff we've already seen before (automorph, mechtech, lights and sounds, etc.) but advertising is all about recycling and repackaging old stuff as new. (New Coke, anyone?)

    And having Deluxe Soundwave in hand, he does appear to have much softer, bendy plastics (especially in his arms/wings) than the normally hard plastic we're used to. I assume it's to (again) save on costs and to ensure that the toys don't break as easily, especially Soundwave who's very spindly and lanky and would be prone to snapping in various places if they had used a harder plastic. (And kids aren't known for being gentle with their toys.) The softer plastic does lend a "cheap" feeling when you're fiddling with the figures.


    I agree that Wheeljack is certainly one of the gems in the RiD line. Still, his alt mode is a bit small (very compact, in his defense) and he has neat transformation engineering to make him unfold into a decent-sized bot. Still, his plastic feels a tad less sturdy than my Takara FE figures, and the white on him isn't nearly as shiny or bright as Generations Wheeljack.
     
  18. PowermasterJazz

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    I don't think the fanboys would be as angry if they just released the FE figures....they'd still be angry, because they're fanboys, just not AS angry.
     
  19. Grimlock_13

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    Quoted so maybe it can sink in for some people. It's not a remOld if it's an entirely new mold. And yes, supposedly the FEs were intended to be released in Generations, though I can't recall it ever being explicitly confirmed by anyone at Hasbro.
     
  20. mx-01 archon

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    SWTF is in-house Hasbro, done by the "Galoob" team.

    PCC and Real Gear, however, were Takara developed. Just not Takara released. TakaraTomy's still made heavy use of the PCC Minicons, though.

    Although, funny enough, the Crossovers lines were imported by Takara for sale in Japan.


    I'll reiterate here on the nature of the toy's designs, though:

    What became the FE toys were originally as Generations releases in Spring 2011. They probably got shuffled out of that line in order to avoid retailer conflicts with DotM (ironically, the same thing that wound up getting them cancelled anyways, but by their own canon line).

    If things had gone according to that original plan, there would have been a full year between the "FE" toys and the "RiD" ones, which fully justifies the decision to create all-new molds for the same characters.

    Additionally, Generations/FE maintains its slight collector-oriented slant, while RiD is the new mainline for kids, hence the shift in design philosophies.
     

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