Why aren't certain TF's repainted while others are?

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  1. dirgestone

    dirgestone Banned

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    I wonder sometimes why certain figures are repainted 100 times while others are not.
    A figure like Movie Leader Megatron which appears to be wildly popular on ebay gets a single repaint. Yet an unpopular figures like Skids / Mudflap get several repaints. Classics Astrotrain, No repaint. Hot Rod - several repaints
    What is the logic Hasbro uses?
     
  2. Kaymac

    Kaymac I'M REALLY FEELIN' IT!

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    If the mold works for different decos and designs, they use it. Also, Megatron might be going for a lot now on eBay, but when he first came out, no one wanted him.

    Also, as for Astrotrain, who would you repaint it as? Did the original Astrotrain have a repaint? You could repaint it as other space shuttle or train characters, but then they have an unexplained auxiliary mode.

    As for Mudflap, I have no idea what the hell they were thinking. I think the toys were developed long before they had an idea who was popular and who wasn't.
     
  3. Moriarty

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    My best guess would be selling figures. No point repainting something that didn't sell.
     
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    There really isn't a single rule when it comes to that. More of a case-by-case basis, it seems.

    There isn't anyone that an Astrotrain redeco can be made into. It's Astrotrain.

    Skids and Mudflap had a lot of screentime in RotF, so maximize the recognition aspect. And also make the most out of those molds.

    As far as Leader Megatron goes, it's easier to get someone to buy a $10 toy twice than a $40 toy. Which is why Shadow Command Megatron goes for so much on Ebay- because no one bought them in stores.
     
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    Then again, who the hell is Rescue Ratchet? Specialist Ratchet? Cyberfire Bumblebee? Freeway Jazz? Elite Guard Bumblebee? Etc.

    Just call it Florida Holiday Astrotrain and give it a garish floral pattern. Plenty of places and times had both trains and shuttles...
     
  6. Ikkstakk

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    In the case of Classics Astrotrain, it would be hard to deco the figure as a different character because he's so recognizably Astrotrain. About all Hasbro could do is redeco him in his animation colors as sell him as "Dark Astrotrain" or something. No guarantee that would sell well enough to justify the expense.

    Skids and Mudflap, if you're talking about the original Deluxe-class ROTF molds, actually only got one redeco apiece, as Tuner Skids and Tuner Mudflap, but they were star characters in the film so Hasbro had reason to believe redecoes would sell. Compare them to Astrotrain, who hasn't appeared in a cartoon in 20+ years. Astrotrain will likely only appeal to adult collectors who remember him from the old cartoon, whereas Skids and Mudflap are well-known to anyone who's seen the movie.

    Redecoes are done mainly to amortize the cost of creating the mold. Hasbro has to predict if a redeco will sell well enough to help recoup the money they spent to make the mold, or if it will end up being unpopular and lose money. Also, some molds are very specifically a particular character (Classics Astrotrain) while other molds are more generic and can be used for several different characters.
     
  7. Ribieconvoy

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    I'm gonna re-echo the statement that redecoes are done on a case by case basis, because there seems to be no other rhyme or reason. However, I now really really want a Florida Holiday Astrotrain.
     
  8. Nemesis Liger

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    That would, unfortunately, be something I would buy. Bad decision or not it sounds like it'd be an amusing purchase.

    Seriously, though, if he underwent a major retooling I could see Astrotrain as a good basis for a Blast Off. As it is, I think it's just his Bullet train mode that's holding him back, yes? Considering the amount of artistic license that is taken for certain characters, I don't think there'd be much harm in the attempt.
     
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    Revenge of the Fallen Leader Optimus Prime would like a word with you... :lol 
     
  10. Ikkstakk

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    ^ Hero figures sell better than villain figures. Besides that, ROTF Leader Optimus Prime is held up as the epitome of what a great large mold should be. I can't think of any criticisms leveled at that mold, besides its insane complexity. By contrast, a lot of people hated the ROTF Leader Megatron mold.
     
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    What're you talking about? I bought it once.

    But there's a bit more incentive to buy a retool over just a straight redeco, which is what Shadow Command Megatron was. Some people find enough justification in a new face and weapons to buy a $40 toy again.
     
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    I only bought it once too, the Hunt for the Decepticons version. I only meant that he's been redecoed and retooled so many times. But your point about the retools is a good one...
     
  13. ScottyP

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    Depends on what sells, and what "spots" there are in an upcoming assortment. Obviously, if nothing else is coming up in a line, new molds that were late in the line are less likely to have repaints (at least right away) than the early stuff.

    Cybertron gives examples of both of these points. A repaint of Mudflap (the Cybertron one) was cancelled, and a repaint of Vector Prime happened instead, purely based on sales. Then, late in the line, the giant planet stuff (almost all of it) saw no repaint action - at least not until Universe 2.0, and even then Metroplex and Menasor STILL have no repaints.
     
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    The real question about classics astrotrain is why he has not been reissued not redecoed. As for redecos it needs to be a mold that could be used for multiple characters. The seeker mold is a great example. As for classics Rodimus mold while it has plenty of redecos only 2 of them were mass retail releases in the US. The original and the BIS one (please correct me if i am mistaken on this one). As others have said there is no predictable pattern for redecos it all comes down to what will work and what will sell as well.
     
  15. dirgestone

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    Starscream got 2 repaints. Bumbleebee has had 3. AStrotrain could have been Blast Off or Anime Astrotrain. Octane / Tankor well I don't know what else he would be.

    I was surprised that Cybertron Menasor and Metroplex was never repainted honestly.
    Menasor re decoed as Omega Supreme would be awesome. If I can get my hands on one cheap I plan to do just that
     
  16. salmonman78

    salmonman78 Mordin, my hero

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    I came to this thread to deride the constant over reuse of some molds and cry about the lack of others....

    I leave it now wanting a "Florida Holiday Astrotrain" myself.
     
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    Actually, starscream is closer to 20 repaints than 2.
     
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    No, he had the right idea. There's been 3: Acid Storm, Universe Starscream, and Thundercracker.

    Everything else is lumped with being a Takara market figure, a store exclusive, or a retool. At least, a more extensive retool than just the intake rectangle.
     
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    Hurm, to go alongside Florida Holiday Astrotrain...

    Canadian Music Hall of Fame Tankor:
    Lots of red, white and maple leaf deco turning from a Alanis Morisette detailed truck to a cargo plane that reads Strapping Young Lad across the wings. The head is slightly retooled to look like Leonard Cohen.

    You're welcome, Hasbro.
     
  20. Gingerchris

    Gingerchris Telly-headed Tyrant

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    I'd just chuck any old redeco colours on Astrotrain and rename him SpaceRail.
    That said, I'm not much a big fan of molds that specifically look like a certain character being repainted into another. Universe Silverbolt always looks like Silverbolt to me no matter what his new colour.
    But I could see the Astrotrain mold as a drone, his two modes used to transport supplies and troops through space and then across land. Then there's more reason to have a load of drones of him in different colours.
     

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