Who's older? Kup or Ironhide?

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  1. ILoveDinobot

    ILoveDinobot Arise Rodimus Prime

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    I just got classics Ironhide and his bio says he's the oldest Autobot. But I had thought Kup was the oldest Autobot. So which one is older? G1/comic 'verse.


    I am not sure if there was a discussion on this before, search came up empty.
     
  2. jazz4ever

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    kup
     
  3. Optimus1986

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    I'd say Kup is a little older.
     
  4. Allsparky

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    Gonna go with Kup on this one.
     
  5. iconscons

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    when the bio says oldest autobot, I can only imagine this could sensibly pertain to the bots aboard the ark. I doubt kup is the oldest either. He wasn't one of the 13, and even if you don't accept the original 13 origin, you'd at least have to argue away the existance of alpha trion.
     
  6. thundrwaveprime

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    we didn't see kup until the movie. and ironhide is older than prime himself. so it's safe to assume ironhide is older.
     
  7. Aernaroth

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    Its possible that Kup was produced long after Ironhide, but since Ironhide spent so much time in suspended animation on the Ark, that Kup is actually "older", having been active for more time. For Kup to be older than Ironhide in every sense of the word, he'd have to be millions of years old, but in the G1 universe, he wouldn't be the only one to be around that long. Look at Elita One.
     
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    I'd say they're about the same age, but Kup is physically older since he didn't spend a couple of million years in stasis lock.
     
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    original 13? not sure I understand
     
  10. iconscons

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    The original 13 transformers, which will get their own story in IDW. The original 13 transformers havn't been named yet, but the usual suspects are alpha trion, the fallen, who knows who else.

    And since, in general, the creation of transformers has been ill addressed (we've never seen one created, nor heard reference to it) discussing age is a bit difficult. For all we know they were all created at the same time. There just isn't enough info out there. We don't even have a scale to judge how old is old, for a transformer.
     
  11. jorod74

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    going by the movie, Kup. called the old timer, countless years of experience, etc.
    i have always thought kup was one of the Old Guard (so to speak) and the way Universe takes liberties, i don't follow it too closely.
    Ironhide is old in lots of ways- one of which he is one of Prime's closest, most loyal and longtime friends, but Kup, IMHO, is the oldest of the two.
    unless you consider alt modes. 84 model toyota van versus ford concept truck, then Ironhide is way older. lol.
     
  12. Optimus Sledge

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    Depends what continuity you want to go with. From the bios... well, the bio says what it says, you can't really argue with it. From the cartoon, I'd go with the the idea of Ironhide being older, but Kup having been active for longer. In the comics I just don't care.
     
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    In terms of modern human wars, I see it like this:

    Kup - WWII or Korean
    Ironhide - Young in Late Vietnam
    Prime - First Gulf War (maybe some military before it)
    Most other Autobots - Small military deployments and current war
    Wheelie - play war in abandoned lot in the neighborhood.
     
  14. Rodimus Mike

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    I say Ironhide is older,as he was on the show before Kup was,and even if Kup was
    older their are so many continuities you can't say for sure which is older,but I am just
    guestimating about this.

    Also someone wrote about the original 13,well we know of atleast 1 more,Vector Prime
    as he said in Cybertron he was one of the originals,along with Primus & Unicron.
     
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    I have to agree with you Rodimus Mike Vector Prime is one of the original 13 along with Primus and his twin brother Unicron, but from the G1 perspective I would have to say Kup
     
  16. Mr.ToyFan

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    Man, Kup was on Cybertron that whole time. Kup is definetly older.
     
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    Ironhide Kup.

    For when you need that extra protection.
     
  18. Agent-GHQ

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    Regardless, they don't look like they age either.
     
  19. Cyberjet #7

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    In terms on Tech Spec, even the G1 Ironhide's bio states that he is the "Oldest, toughest, most battle-tested Autobot". Kup's G1 bio does state that he is old, but not the "oldest". So from a toy perspective (and possibly TV/Movie related perspective) Ironhide is the older.

    Additionally, reference to Ironhide being in stasis on Earth can't entirely be used because for all we know one Earth year could equal one Cybertron second.
     
  20. ILoveDinobot

    ILoveDinobot Arise Rodimus Prime

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    Yeah in the DW MTMTE Profile it says that Kup is one of the oldest, but doesn't state that he is the oldest. So I guess Ironhide is older.
     

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