Who would you be without me, Prime....

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  1. Igniting_Prime

    Igniting_Prime Igniting The Battle

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    I really put some deep thought into that line and thought, hm, WHO would Prime be without Megatron.....and I like this for a very good way to connect the 3rd movie to the 4th if they do one. Optimus as we all know has become very "violent" as some people say, more violent than he should be and saying things like "you die", "we will kill them all" or even not showing mercy or turning down a truce with a cheap shot. Whatever you want to call it, I see it as an open door. They can really elaborate on who prime would be without megatron, and keep it as an inner thought of guilt within himself "should I have accepted the truce?" "Did I do wrong" and "Was it really worth sacrificing ALL of cybertron" etc and bring affliction on himself. You have to remember, there is probably no more cybertron, and part of it has to do with OPtimus, (the other part is bee and ratchet) and that is A LOT to carry on your shoulders. From then on who is Prime without Megatron? None other than Nemesis Prime. Optimus can stray away from who he is showing more anger and violence as the Autobots are searching for the remaining Decepticons, and his frustration eventually gets the best of him. I think it's a good way to tie in these movies, evaluate on the dark feelings and and emotion brought in the third, and also still be able to keep the main cast. Of course they could introduce...Ultra Magnus....to work with Optimus and the autobots, and eventually as OPtimus strays on his own path of destruction, Ultra Magnus will take charge of the Autobots in their challenge to save Optimus.
    I feel that is the easiest and smoothest way we can connect these movies, and base this movie on affliction on Optimus, and after that film, bridge an opening to what could continue to the other films and we have already connected old with new, and even establish Ultra Magnus with the audiences.
    What do you think?
    (btw this only has to be for the 4th movie, that's what the whole 4th movie could be about)
     
  2. Shadow25

    Shadow25 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I do like this idea a lot for the most part - except for the Nemesis Prime part. Optimus would never truly fall down that path no matter what, even with his aggressive depiction in the trilogy. I do think this opens up a new route for Optimus' character though, and introducing Magnus could help that as well. I would like to think TF4 could take the Bots off Earth in search of remaining Autobots, and then introduce new villains from that point forward. The only actors who want to return are Tyrese and Rosie, and Tyrese could very easily join the Autobots on their search for lost friends.
     
  3. soundwaverulls

    soundwaverulls Taking a break

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    Igniting_Prime you do know that you're about to get flamed by thousands of people saying "Optimus was not too violent" and "You're just a GEEWUNER who hates change" and stuff, don't you?
     
  4. Igniting_Prime

    Igniting_Prime Igniting The Battle

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    Yeah and I couldn't care less because:
    1. I didn't think he was too violent, but a lot of people do, and it's something production can build off of.
    and
    2. I know I'm not a *GEEWUNNER because I personally don't want the movies being too G1, so people can say what they want. I don't base myself off what others think of me, and don't let it bother me like some others do.
    I'm relating this as a sense to a conflict within Prime, to show emotions and struggles that he hasn't shown before, and would bring something FRESH to the big screen, as opposed to another bad guy just swooping in, and autobots take care of him. In this sense it's conflict within the autobots, and the autobots don't necessarily win.
    It's new, it's different, new emotions and thoughts, and brings more personalization to the characters and something new to the screen, not the same old.
    EDIT: I believe EVERYONE can agree that Prime showed more frustration and anger than he ever has though. That is a fact. And it is a point of prime they can build off of, like I mentioned. Not the fact that he was "too violent" etc. But that he showed more rage, anger, and frustration than his usual self, which they can easily build off of.
     
  5. Meggamus

    Meggamus I want FOC figures!!

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    In the fourth movie (if they do it) they could have the autobots repairing megatron.
    Because prime regrets killing megatron, and they have had a huge history , I would think he would want to fix him so that he has a choice to become good (maybe?)
    And obviously Meggs would turn on prime for killing him

    I don't kno , I just like the idea of prime helping megatron because it would seem like the right kind of thing for optimus to do (showing mercy)
     
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    "You're just a GEEWUNER who hates change" >:'(

    joking aside, yes I do quite like your idea here :) 
     
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    I do know I would like to see consequences to Prime's actions from DOTM in a possible sequel, but I'm not sure what they should be.

    Maybe it could be revealed that the remaining forces of Sentinel's crew were not just mindless killing machines but both Bots & Cons that truly believe in peace.

    Or destroying that much of Cybertron released some sort of ancient trapped evil creature... Unicron?

    Or some colony of former Bots & Cons who have been @ peace for centuries finally reach Earth to recover the Allspark & other Cybertronian artifacts and courtmartials OP for destroying them all.
     
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    According to Exodus, a movie I ALWAYS quote, since it's part of the official canon now, Orion Pax was a librarian who was intrigued by the brutal and rebellious nature of Megatronus the gladiator. They talked to each other secretly, and they both decided that the caste's and the way cybertron was going was holding the species back. And as they talked to the head council, Pax decided to state that it was time for a new Prime, which caused Megatron to believe he had been backstabbed, creating their feud.

    Now

    Megatron's quote makes alot of sense when you look at it through the mindframe of the book, Prime would still have been Orion Pax and the librarian if Megatron hadn't enticed his mind to want to be free. So, Prime wouldn't be who he is, without Megatron.
     
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    Igniting_Prime Igniting The Battle

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    I love that. If they could involve that with optimus looking back at it and also looking back at what Megatron told him, there is a lot you can build off of there.
     
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    Is Exodus a part of the movieverse canon? I had thought the movies existed separately from the previous canons and the new aligned continuity.

    I took Megatron's question to mean that the two had been battling for so long, one couldn't exist without the other - in essence, both Megatron and Optimus were defined by their shared conflict. Sort of like Thulsa Doom's question to Conan in the original Conan movie - if Conan were to kill Thulsa Doom, who then would Conan be without his enemy?
     
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    Igniting_Prime Igniting The Battle

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    There is no exact "canon" with the movies, which is why it would work. It was never explained of their past, and neither Prime's past, and the movies basically take bits and pieces from different stories and generations in the transformers universe. There is no reason it wouldn't work here for this. There is no canon for the movies, the movies are what they are and choose to incorporate with other stories. Since their past was never shown on screen, it would work very well and would beinteresting to see that side of the story that no on else knows. (Being told in comics doesn't count because the filmmakers make the movies, they don't care for what happens in between and don't pay attention to that. So even if it's been told in comics, it doesn't matter, because the movies are their own identity, and only few read the comics.)
     
  12. Starscreamownz

    Starscreamownz Air Commander

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    I like the idea of Optimus being conflicted about his choices. It would add on a nice change of character development.

    However, Id much rather him come to terms with the situation and make the better decision in the end.
     
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    Philosophical discussion! I love it!
     

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