Who was the better Decepticon leader?

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  1. Chaos Prime

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    Who made the better the leader in the movie, Starscream, or Megatron?

    I actually think Starscream made the better leader in the movie.
    When Starscream was leading the Decepticons they weren't doing all that bad. They had blended in with Earth, and began searching for the Allspark. Starscream seemed to have the Cons pretty well organized. Most were in place and ready to be mobilized, while a few cons were actively searching. YEa, with Barricade and Scorponox they ran into a few problems, but the mission was fairly uncompromised.
    Then Megatron thaws out, reinserts command then the entire Decepticon plan goes to hell.

    During the final battle the Decepticons out numbered and out gunned the Autobots. Bumblebee was incapacitated, Jazz was dead, and Optimus was just getting thrown around. So Ironhide and Ratchet were stuck with Brawl, Starscream, Blackout, and Barricade where ever the hell he was.
    So technically the Decepticons should have ruined the Autobots, and instead they suffered a really humiliating defeat because Brawl was too busy swatting at flies (humans), Blackout hardly did anything at all, Barricade was mia, Megatron was playing with his new Optimus Prime doll, and Starscream was actually doing work and killing things. So wouldn't you agree the Decepticons were very disorganized?
    And I really think it was Megatrons fault. I mean the Decepticons were doing alright, until Megs showed up, and within a half an hour after he was being thawed they lose.
    So in my opinion Megatron in the movie couldn't even lead his troops out of a paper bag no less to victory, where it seemed more likely that Starscream had the Decepticons more organized and running efficiently.
    What's your opinion?
     
  2. soundwave34

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    But in after the Megatron escapes they just start to fight a real battle and everyone knew about it, maybe I'll speak more on it later.
     
  3. Chaos Prime

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    Well yea the Decepticons were exposed by then, and then had little choice but to duke it out. But I'm saying Megatron, all powerful leader of the Decepticons lost a major battle within a 30 minutes. That's pretty bad, considering Starscream was the only one doing his job eliminating enemy opposition. Brawl didn't have to stand around shooting at bugs, he had enough fight in him to hunt down Ironhide and Ratchet. Blackout was just hanging around. I'm just questioning Megatrons leadership compared to Starscreams. I'd would like to hear what your views are on it.
     
  4. Satomiblood

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    Neither. Starscream and Megatron both don't appear until the end so there didn't seem to be much of a leadership role on the Decepticon end of things. But I do think Frenzy organized a lot of things: hacking Air Force One, locating the glasses and Allspark, and freeing Megatron.
     
  5. Ziero

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    I think it was just overconfidence on the parts of all decepticons rather then a lack of leadership.

    Also, in that last fight, the cons only had four troops as one was taken out before the city fight, two were far away from the fight and one just up and disappeared before the fight actually started. And on top of that, the humans were able to provide some strong cover fire with a combination of specially equiped ground troops and heavy air cover. Brawl and Starscream found themselves heavily outgunned and pinned down while Megatron focused on nothing but the Allspark, which could have potentially won the war for him.

    If it were just Autobots and Decepticons in the fight, then the cons would have won, hands down. But neither Starscream nor Megatron took into accound just how big of a factor the humans would have been in that war.
     
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    the prequal book says it all, starscream was a cunning, effencient leader, but his troops didn't trust them, like when right before the autobot's destruction, he got in a power struggle with blackout, winning. he did however kill the main human cast with one blast, which is badass, really put megatrons power and evilness with starscream's cunning and deception you got the perfect decepticon leader
     
  7. Liege Prime

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    My two cents is just the bad timing. Yeah, the decepticons could've done much better, but Megatron woke up when all the s**t was hitting the fan. So, he went back to what he was doing before he was frozen- going after the Allspark. Also, he was probably hoping his troops would have his back. If Starscream kept destroying the jets, there was a strong possibility Megatron would have gotten the allspark. But no, SS strangely up and left while Megatron got pounded by the jets. If SS was a good soldier, things would have turned out differently. To maintain leadership, SS sabotaged Megatron and basically forfeited the allspark. So, while if everything went according to Megatrons plan, the decepticons could have thrived and basically take over the galaxy, while now, arguably thanks to SS, the decepticons are back to being a dying race.
     
  8. Michael_Prime_2K7

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    I think Megatron was the better leader. I seriously took Starscream into consideration nevertheless. Starscream is a good warrior and was able to knock down Ironhide and Bumblebee then Ratchet and Ironhide. His tactics are brutal and cold yet too impulsive and foolish. I think you could compare Starscream to Jason Isaacs character in The Patriot.
    In this case here Megs has got my vote because he is wise and calculating.
     
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    I don't know... I think the Decepticons totally ignored Starscream once they arrived on Earth, and acted only as necessary to find the Allspark and Megatron, the true leader. So, if anything... Megatron's the better leader. Starscream... what a jerk.
     
  10. DilaZirK

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    The way I see it:



    Blackout: The enemy approaches, Lord Megatron.

    Starscream: Brawl, Blackout, provide suppressive fire. Bonecrusher, Barricade, keep the enemy occupied while I flank their position. Frenzy, see if you can pinpoint their exact location.

    Megatron: I have a better idea. Let's all charge out and shoot at them until they die.

    Blackout: Excellent strategy, Lord Megatron.

    Brawl: Megatron's plan sounds more fun.

    Bonecrusher: Bonecrusher HATE playing decoy!

    Barricade: I'm...gonna go with Megatron on this.

    Frenzy: Ditto.

    Starscream: Yes yes yes brilliant strategy, oh wise and great leader...
     
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    Well, the lack of anything concrete pre-movie is doesn't help much (um, or rather too many variations), but I would choose Starscream over Megatron as a better leader. Though power-wise, Megatron might be stronger.

    Why I say this? Because of the simple fact that Megatron ditched ALL his troops and went skipping off into space going after the Allspark into galaxies unknown, leaving the Decepticons hanging. A good leader does not do that. Because of this recklessness, he came to Earth on his own, got pwned by ice, then became a lab-rat for primitive bipedal monkey-men to study before only getting free with the help of his troops who had to spend AGES finding their 'leader'.

    Starscream, on the other hand, had the few Decepticons working together for a time, waiting strategically and planning to strike at the right time. The novel says that there was a power struggle and much distrust among the ranks with Starscream in charge, but hey, at least he managed to lead the Decepticons and track down the Allspark with more success than Megatron did.
     
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    Megatron didn't have a chance to lead anything in the movie. He thawed out, everything had already gone to hell in a handbasket, and he woke up to chaos.

    If he had time to recall his troops before the autobots got their hands on the allspark, and then come up with a strategy, things may have been different.

    Starscream didn't lead anything. The rest of the decepticons were just doing what they were supposed to do.
     
  13. SureShot90

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    To early to say anything about this. We didn't see much of their " leader qualities".
     
  14. Jazz1979

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    Starscream fought pretty well since he took out Bumblebee for a while, kept Ironhide and Ratchet in check and killed off several F-22A's. But the fact that he did not cover Megatron from the air for real gave me a hint, that Starscream was not so amused about Megatron's taunting at the dam.
    Megatron had not much chance to lead in the movie. But the fact that he crash-landed in the arctic does not sound like a really good leader.
    IMO the human/US forces played a too big role in the movie.
     
  15. jet convoy

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    Ditto. I mean, I haven't read or watched any prequel movie stuff, but movie Megatron seemed to be someone who led by force, power and fear, and wasn't in the least bit a strategic, calculating leader.

    IMO, Megatron probably has several tacticians and stuff under him who handle most of the strategic side of the war effort. While hes just the leader and ruler because he's simply so powerful, and that he'll rip you in half if you piss him off so everyone is scared shitless of him.
     
  16. OmegaVPrime

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    I disagree neither starscream or megatron had a real good leader ship role.
    as a matter of fact I didnt see much f a role besides megatron bitching aroun SS. I would have to say if their were to be a good decepticon leader for the movie, it would have had to been barricade because he conducted search on "ladiesman" succcesfully where as to blackout and starscream were totally incogneto and could have effortlessly found sam if they wanted to...but maybe that is the whole point, they got the decepticons emotions just right, they dont give a dam.
     
  17. jlwtformer1337

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    I strongly think that Starscream is a farther better leader than Megatron.
     

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