Who is the Autobot Second in Command?

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by Heliblade, Sep 11, 2017.

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Best Autobot SIC?

Poll closed Sep 18, 2017.
  1. Ironhide

    12.9%
  2. Jazz

    37.1%
  3. Prowl

    29.0%
  4. Jetfire

    1.6%
  5. Ultra Magnus

    14.5%
  6. Other

    4.8%
  1. CyberstormSM

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    Starscream: "Do the Autobots even have a second-in-command?"

    Thundercracker: "I'm pretty sure it's Jazz."

    Soundwave: "Jazz immature. Ironhide is Autobot S-I-C."

    Megatron: "Who's Ironhide?"

    Thundercracker: "The cranky red van guy."

    Megatron: "Oh, you mean Bumblebee!"
     
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  2. Primeultra

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    yep 100% right
    no not in a G1 cartoon episode

    It was never clearly stated in any G1 episode, but I do feel it was clearly stated in the first bay film

    And I agree I don't feel it was ever made clear in Starscream case either, at least not a direct statement but he certainly did take command every time Megatron was incapable of giving orders
     
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    Megatron called Starscream second in command when he explained to him that he needed Optimus's clone to destroy Starscreams clone, by quoting something about destryoing a Decepticon higher up. Cant remember the excact quote though.
     
  4. Altered Prime

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    Are you remembering it incorrectly my friend

    It was actually Starscream loose said it should be a trust officer but that is all that was stated there

    On the other hand later in the episode it was either iron hide or trail breaker that called starscream the decepticons number 2 guy or something like that
     
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    Yeah you are right, Ironhide comments "That Optimus nailed the Decepticon N2".
     
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    Ultra Magnus, without a doubt. City Commanders (Jetfire, Ultra Magnus, etc.) are usually best fit for second-in-command. Jazz is more fit as being the ambassador to Earth, while Ironhide is a better squad-leader/weapons specialist. Prowl is great for strategy. However, Ultra Magnus kind've brings all of these traits together in one super soldier/law enforcement officer, which really suits him being second-in-command. Plus, he's got experience in defending huge cities, which kind've helps with experience in terms of leadership. I'd say Jetfire is third in command, and then it goes to the 13 Generals (headcannon).
     
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    Jazz in the first three episodes. Ultra magnus in s3. In the comics it was prowl.

    (did prowl do any second in command leadership in the G1 cartoon or was it just the comics?)
     
  8. Altered Prime

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    From the cartoon the only thing I can remember is from one of the very early episodes

    The episode where chip takes over his body for a while earlier in the episode I believe he gave some alternative advice to optimus
     
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    I don't remember Prowl being very prevalent in the Sunbow cartoons. He was always "around", but didn't get a lot of focus. The thing with Chip piloting his body is what I remember the most, too.
     
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    Please elaborate.
     
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    Concerning the 13 generals in my headcanon?
    The thirteen generals are in charge of 13 Squads that make up the Autobots. Ultra Magnus leads the 86'th Squad (squads are numbered from 84 - 97), with Springer serving as Vice-General. Jetfire is the General of the 85'th Squad. The highest ranking position is Supreme Commander, which always goes to a Prime (for now).
     
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    In the cartoon, it was Jazz...although I'd deem that to be fairly loose in term. If Prime wasn't around, most of the time, the Autobots just sort of free-lanced their decision making. it seemed most of the Autobots were too rash or impulsive to a fault, often making poor choices to further the plot until Optimus came along to fix things or stuff would resolve themselves through luck.
     
  13. Aimless Misfire

    Aimless Misfire BUMBLEBEE MUST DIE!

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    Dear Transformers fans,

    As of 2007 the Autobots consist of Optimus Prime & Bumblebee. And THAT'S IT! All those other characters wearing the Autobot symbol don't actually exist. There is just Optimus & Bumblebee. THE END

    HASBRO
     
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  14. Heliblade

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    And the only Decepticon is Megatron!
     
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    Moonscream YES, We EXIST!

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    Going from memory of the longer Budiansky bios in the Transformers: Universe miniseries (as TFWiki strangely has little information from them even tho they're mentioned; and I don't feel like digging them out right now), Jazz and Prowl were co-SICs in G1. Ironhide is lower in rank, but still high enough to command when needed. The Autobots weren't exactly strict about military protocol, tho, so its harder to tell just from watching. Heck, several of the commands Jazz gives post MTMTE (the original eps, not IDW's comic) are in the form of goofy wordplay and jokes. :lol 

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    There are a few ways to look at this, it depends on what we use as canon, and also WHEN we ask the question.

    TOYS
    If we go by the toys, the tech specs give us a pretty solid answer. Optimus Prime has a rank of 10, no surprise, he is after all the Autobot Commander. Then when we look at the rest of the series 1 bots, Prowl has a rank of 9, and Jazz has a rank of 8. So the chain of command would appear to be: (1) Optimus, (2) Prowl, and (3) Jazz.

    This could change depending on what year we examine. Post movie, and year 3, Rodimus Prime and Hot Rod both have ranks of 10 and he is in charge, and Ultra Magnus has a rank of 8. Incidentally, other bots with a high rank include Sky Lynx (rank of 9), Metroplex (rank of 8), Silverbolt (rank of 8), Kup (rank of 8). So a case could be made for anyone in that group to be second in command, if we go by pure numbers then its Sky Lynx.

    For the Decepticons, Megatron has a rank of 10, and Starscream actually has a rank of 5. However, as many probably know, fans suspect that Starscream and Skywarp's tech specs were accidentally switched. Skywarp's tech specs list a rank of 9, which would seem in line with the Decepticon air commander, and second in command. Soundwave has a rank of 8, and if we go to series 2 Shockwave has a rank of 9.

    SUNBOW ANIMATED SHOW
    The show seems to interchangeably switch Jazz and Prowl as the second. Both are obviously high rank. Jazz does get to organize the Autobots' roll out during the first three part series, turning them over when he says "Ready Prime," before the Autobots mobilize. Ironhide is given some responsibility here and there as well.

    Later in season 3 the shows often focus on the Autobot trio of Rodimus, Magnus and Kup. Those three are likely the chain of command, in that order. However they all have their own specific tasks as well. Kup seems to be more of a security chief. Magnus acts as an advisor and mentor to Rodimus. Rodimus struggles with the mantle of leadership but eventually settles in just in time for Optimus to return.

    For the Decepticons Megatron is clearly number one, then we get Starscream always biting at his heels. Shockwave is up there in rank, but both Shockwave and Soundwave act like Megatron loyalists, rather than usurpers a la Starscream.

    COMICS
    The comics establish very quickly in issue 1 that Prowl is the second in command. I can add a scan of the pages later if I get a chance. The comics go off in some different directions, and we also have the UK and US comic continuities.

    For the Decepticons, its Megatron, then Starscream, but Soundwave and Shockwave both get into the mix as well. Shockwave takes over the top spot from a weakened Megatron early on and becomes the commander. Starscream stages a coup and becomes super powerful during the underbase saga, before going down. Also, Soundwave pushes for leadership and in the UK comic becomes the top dog for awhile.

    I'm only talking about early Marvel G1 here, I'll let someone else handle the other continuities, Dreamwave, IDW, etc.
     
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  17. NaCl

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    I personally always imagined Prowl as second-in-command and Jazz as spec ops. Or Prime just has multiple SICs that assume the role when needed, since in each episode anybody could fill the role depending on who he was with at the time.
     
  18. Scowly Prowl

    Scowly Prowl Still calculating variables...

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    The SIC issue may be intentionally vague, but designed as a flaw of Autobot leadership rather than poor writing/continuity. If you assume that the Autobots all follow Prime because he is the leader, then those same Autobots are likely not to choose/need a SIC, since they will assume that their leader will choose it for them. Leadership, compassion, blah blah blah, Prime has it - he's got his hands full figuring out what the most compassionate and righteous way of doing things.

    So he doesn't pick a SIC intentionally. He doesn't want to let his compatriots down by having to choose amongst them, because if he makes a bad choice, well, then they will be disappointed in his leadership.

    I always figured he improvised. Rather than pick a SIC who is static, he'd pick an SIC who would be right for the job. Need an op done? Jazz. Need some defense or you expect to be coerced into violence? Ironhide. Want to make sure that cooler heads prevail and someone thought this through all the way? Prowl. Want to get it done within the bounds of interstellar law? Mags.
     
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    All of the above.

    An organization like this wouldn't necessarily have a second in command so much as seconds in command. Jazz is Chief Operations Officer, Prowl is Chief Military Strategist, Ironhide is Chief Security Officer, Ratchet is Chief Medical Officer, etc. with each reporting directly to the Prime. If an issue arose, the officer most suited to lead at that time would assume command and then a new leader chosen (or determined by the Matrix). And we see that this is exactly what happens in the Movie. Optimus passes the mantle of leadership onto Ultra Magnus though he knows that Magnus won't ultimately be the one to keep the Matrix.
     
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    When do we see that he knew this all along?
     

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