Who is older?

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  1. Ruination04

    Ruination04 8 Years Old Since 1984!

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    Who's older: Kup or Ironhide?

    First couple of seasons, Ironhide was the old veteran but then the movie came and Kup kinda replaced him....


    I kinda believe Kup is older. Wonder if they ever had any battles together?
     
  2. Greyryder

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    Kup was obviously old enough for senility to have set in.
     
  3. My03Tundra

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    Then he's as old as...

    A)Dirt
    B)Water
    C)Air

    Your pick?
     
  4. Pravus Prime

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    Kup. He's older than dirt. Or at least remembers when it was clean.
     
  5. Seeker

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    In human terms I think of Iron Hide as being in his mid 50's while Kup is in his mid 60's
     
  6. Backscatter

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    I'm in my 50's and I think Iron Hide acts older than that. Anyway for old age, the Cup goes to Kup!
     
  7. salmonman78

    salmonman78 Mordin, my hero

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    Ok, in War Within, they're fighting side by side at the beginning of the war, both looking semi young(kup doesn't have a worn out looking face at least) but as for who came first, I would go for Kup, heck, he can have almost anything remind him of something so he must be damn old.
     
  8. ams

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    Wasn't there a scene reuniting the two of them in one of the Dreamwave comics (one of the War Within series, perhaps)?

    I seem to recall them being very glad to see each other and immediately reminiscing about old times, so I'd say yeah, they've got some history - old war buddies.

    Kup "feels" the oldest to me, both through his voice and the way he's portrayed (particularly in the last spotlight).
     
  9. Dark Magnus

    Dark Magnus Your opinion is wrong!

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    yeah, it was in v.2 when prime and the rebels rescue some autobots
     
  10. ShortCircuit

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    awww leakin' lubricant!
     
  11. Bumble Prime

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    kup is older because he has robo wrinkles
     
  12. Hobbes-timus Prime

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    Kup is old, there's no doubt, but Ironhide's original tech spec calls him the "Oldest, toughest, most battle-tested Autobot." So I give him the trophy.

    Kup may show his age more, but Ironhide's been around longer.
     
  13. Atomsplitter

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    Kup probably wasn't even a thought in someones mind at the time they were making the original tech specs.
     
  14. SMOG

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    Here's MY take...

    Okay, get this... Ironhide WAS older than Kup... but NOW Kup is older than Ironhide. Get it?

    What I mean is this...

    Waaay back before the Ark took off, Ironhide was a crusty old warhorse, and Kup was in his prime (or maybe close to the same age... whatever). But then Ironhide goes into space, and gets himself marooned on Earth... in stasis... for somewhere between 4-to-40 million years!

    So while Ironhide is lying on the bottom of some volcano taking a nap for millions of years, Kup is fighting a WAR back on Cybertron. By the time they meet again, Ironhide is still technically older, but Kup is the one who has actually been active for all that time, gaining millennia worth of combat experience, nicks, dents, breakdowns and old age. So when Ironhide sees his old comrade Kup, he sees him looking much older than he left him, and the realization of the toll of all those lost years suddenly catches up with him.

    I know that there are some conflicts with that explanation... like who else was around for the full span of time between the Ark crew left and when they woke up again? If Shockwave was on Cybertron all that time, does that make him one of the oldest Decepticons? Stuff like that...

    But still, I like this way of looking at it... when dealing with Transformers, there's a tendency to treat millions of years like they were nothing, when really, that much time should still be significant, even to Cybertronians. Plus, I think it just makes the idea of a shared Ironhide/Kup history, and their reunion, both more interesting and potentially more emotional. :) 

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  15. Feralstorm

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    Oddly enough, that makes sense.
     
  16. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    Kup is as old as Milk Left out of the Fridge in a Haunted House!
     
  17. Bryan

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    I like that. It especially works because even TFs can't ignore the passage of millions of years, but it still doesn't have the same impact that it would for another race that doesn't live that long.
     
  18. Feralstorm

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    I guess you could look at "age" as synonymous with "experience" in Transformer terms. Ironhide was sleeping off a few million years in a volcano. Kup, based on all the times and places he had stories about, probably did a lot of interstellar running around and fighting in that time, maybe looking for energy like everyone else. Shockwave, on the other hand, was largely just guarding his chunk of Cybertron and waiting by the phone for Megatron to call. :) 
     
  19. Bumble Prime

    Bumble Prime all the time

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    haha, everytime i think of shockwave i think of the shockwaves burden video

    shockwave- "I am the guardian of cybertron and we are severely understaffed!!"
     
  20. Hobbes-timus Prime

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    Excellent point.
     

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