Where does Hotshot sit?

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  1. STL

    STL Well-Known Member

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    Grimlock13's funnies aside :) , where does Hot Shot from the Unicron trilogy sit? I never watched the show but he seems to be a very important recurring character. Did kids identify with him a lot? Was he the most popular b/c along with Jetfire and Optimus, he was one of the few that made it across all three trilogies.

    Do US kids identify with? Is that why he was such a dominant character?
     
  2. Silent_Magnus

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    He was the kid friendly character, like bumblebee, wheelie, cheetor, Nightscream, Speedbreaker/Sideburn ect.
    He was designed so kids would like him the most.
     
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    taterx Lurkin since Transfandom

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    They like to push the cliché cool guy down our throats. He is lame Hot Rod 2.0.

    I suppose Cheetor was supposed to be that guy as well, but he came off as likable.
     
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    i just assume since bumblebee couldn't be secured, they used hot shot and threw in a lil hot rod into him and their you go. kid appeal with arrogance!
     
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    Actually it's the opposite. Hot Rod couldn't be secured so Hot Shot was used. Yellow was just a coincidence. (he was red and blue, too though)

    TF:A BB was going to be Hotshot, but they tweaked his character and changed the design to be more Bumblebee-y. (since that's who kids liked more after the movie) He still is kinda Hot Shot-y, moreso near the beginning.
     
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    Yeah, like the others said. He was the "cool" young-ish one. The creators of the new cartoon have said that Animated Bumblebee was originally intended to be Hotshot but since the live action movie had Bumblebee as the hero and Hasbro was promoting him as such, they figured they could replace Hotshot and still have the young hero archetype filled. The idea being that lots of kids would be new TF fans after the movie and would identify with that hero more than the one from 4+ years prior.

    EDIT: Split Lip beat me to it.
     
  7. STL

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    So prior to BB, he was very popular I take it? The reason I ask is cos I'm putting together a column and want an idea where he stands in terms of how he was received. Was he a well-liked character with the kids? Popular?
     
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    Optimus Sledge Yar har fiddle di dee

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    He was what for some reason any TF writer thinks a young hero should be: a total dick without two brain chips to rub together who is thrust into the spotlight by chance and who no one in the show seems to recognise as a dick. Seriously. The dude could set fire to Autobot base, and Prime would still stand around saying "This one has much potential."
     
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    Nothing more to add really...most of the cartoons have had the type of young kid with potential thype character...Hot Rod, Cheetor, Hot Shot...all of them pretty much had the same type of progression from being a reckless youngster who matured into a leaderhip role. I have no idea about popularity with the kids, but I'd assume since Hot Shot was the one designed to be the big connection with the kids he'd be liked pretty well.

    Oh and thanks for the mention by the way :) 
     
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    He's my 12 year old nephew's favorite character, but he's not a big TF fan. Armada was the last series he knew anything about until the movie came out. But seeing as Armada was one of the major pushes that brough TFs back to the spotlight and Hotshot was one of the most popular character's from that show then I can only assume he was a hit with the kids. And Hasbro thinks so as well because he will be recieving an updated toy based on his Armada incarnation during the 25th Anniversary.

    Wasn't it rumored somewhere that Hot Shot was also supposed to be Bumblebee in the movie as well since at the time he was still the most popular "little buddy" character for kids?
     
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    Yes. By Bodycount.
     
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    And I'm really looking forward to that toy; I've really come to have an affinity for Hot Shot's character over the years. It's hard to believe Armada was... what, six years ago already? Yikes!

    Unfortunately, Armada Hot Shot's toy gets pooped on by a lot of folks, but he looks fairly similar to most anything from TFA (to me, anyway). Can't wait to see what Hasbro's coming up with for the updated toy!
     
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    I keep seeing the comparison of Bumblebee and Hot Rod being brought up as the same kind of character. Beyond being the "young guy," I always felt they were different characters. Maybe they were melded in the later Transformers series but G1 definitely made a distinction; especially since Bumblebee was one of the few that survived the movie and still appeared every so often.

    Yeah, they were both young and related to the humans more than the other bots, but Hot Rod played a tad older and the aspect of his potential was brought to the forefront a little more. He was more aggressive than Bumblebee. Bumblebee was always weaker than the other Transformers and his heart exceeded his abilities. Hot Rod was always more than capable but his impulsiveness got the better of him. For me, Bumblebee was always defined by his heart and bravery; something the live action movie captured. Hot Rod was the rebellious teenager with potential. All the ability in the world but needed maturity. I understand why creators may have combined the two later on (I always viewed the subsequent "Hot Shot" incarnations as more Hot Rod than Bumblebee though) but for an old G1 guy like me, they're anything but the same.
     
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    Well said, with the possible exception of G1 Bumblebee. They had Cliffjumper for Jackass, back then.
     
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    And at least no one tried to tell us Cliffy had leadership potential. For me, that was why Season 3 of G1 didn't work very well. Everyone just accepted Rodimus as a new leader without anyone saying "Hang on. Aren't you the reckless young punk? Why should we follow you over, say, Ultra Magnus? Or Jazz? Or Sludge?"
     
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    Because Ultra Magnus couldn't "deal with that now!" Or anything, really. ;) 
     
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    Joking aside, that always puzzled me. Look at when Ultra Magnus says that line. He's on a ship with the remnants of the Autobots, under attack, and he's just been told that the other ship has just been blown up. Given those conditions, that was the right response. What did people want him to do? Slam on the brakes and say kaddish? His responsibility was to those who were alive, not those who were (as far as he knew) most likely dead.

    Sorry to rant, but I really think Magnus has got a raw deal all these years. Not that that's ever stopped me wheeling out a joke about him not being able to deal with it, but I don't understand why people have a pop at Magnus for one moment of supposed indecision, but overlook Rodimus's entire season of whinging and indecisiveness.
     
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    I always wondered why a few members of the Old Guard didn't grab Hot Rod, take him into a darkened section of Autobot City and shiv him. Or at least Court Martial him for dereliction of duty resulting in the death of a superior officer.


    Of course I know its because the movie writers weren't thinking in those terms, but it makes for a nice comic idea.
     
  19. STL

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    +1! As much as I love using the line as a joke, I do find it annoying that everyone seems to get on his back about it. I mean, sure, Optimus wouldn't have said that and maybe the line wasn't as tactful for a new leader but given the circumstances, I could understand why Magnus said what he did.
     
  20. unclemarsellus

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    Neither Ultra Magnus or Rodimus Prime were written very well. Magnus always came off as weak, indecisive and inable to escape Prime's shadow. He was written as if he was a good soldier but not really a leader. The fact that he was a similar truck (or "brother") didn't help either. Hot Rod's ascension, while cool and fitting certain mythological archetypes, didn't play out well in the subsequent season and probably wasn't set up as well as it could've been. It was interesting to have a leader who doubted himself a bit but he came off more as a whiner and someone who didn't want to overcome the burden of being the "chosen one." Beyond defeating Unicron and Galvatron, he never really had a defining moment where he was like, yeah, I'm the leader. This is what I'm supposed to be and I'm fine with it.

    None of the other characters were written with strong leadership potential in mind.
     

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