Where did TLK went wrong?

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Wubglitch, Jan 24, 2018.

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TLK vs AOE writing?

Poll closed Feb 7, 2018.
  1. TLK were written better

    6 vote(s)
    11.5%
  2. AOE were written better

    22 vote(s)
    42.3%
  3. Neither of them were even good.

    13 vote(s)
    25.0%
  4. Both of them are at the same level

    4 vote(s)
    7.7%
  5. 2007 movie

    17 vote(s)
    32.7%
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  1. Wubglitch

    Wubglitch Decepticons Weapon Specialist

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    Can you guys point out what's wrong with TLK besides explosions, bad humors, writings, incoherent story and acting? IMO, I don't see anything went too wrong with it. The mistakes are the same as every installments in the series but why this one gets the most hate?
     
  2. NemesisPrime12

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    Pacing problem. Something that they called imbalance in one YouTube video I saw. First act, second act, and third act must balanced. But TLK suffered from too long first act, so the second and third act feel rushed
     
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    This is more of my personal opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.

    I think that most of the fan's problem came from the pacing. TLK as a film just feels much longer than it actually is, and some scenes are so unnecessary to the point of the movie won't even change one bit of those scenes are removed.

    I also didn't like that the marketing blatantly lied about what's this movie is about. Despite the marketing makes it seems like "Nemesis" Prime would play a major role in the movie, "Nemesis" Prime is actually in the movie for less than 10 minutes. Optimus in this movie is just pathetic, to the point of I barely even notice that he's in this movie.
     
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    It went wrong, when they combined 3 scripts......
     
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    People expected to much from the new writers room they had high expectations that’s why after aoe I lowered my expectations to one and that’s to be entertained
     
  6. Russian fan

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    You listed almost everything. I would add too little battles, cartoonish, unrealistic, too fun atmosphere and too much focus on humans. By the way, there were no any significant mistakes in previous Movies, if you think soberly.
    I never expect anything super miraculous from TF Movies, that's why I never complained about them before TLK. I expected just normal cinematographic story, evoking sincere emotions. Any normal movie, sci-fi or not, should evoke emotions. I know tens of such movies. They are created for it. There wasn't something exotic in this expectation. Maybe I also expected the continuation of Creators story, but really that's all. TLK didn't give me any emotion besides of regret, it is actually very poor movie, it was made without any inspiration, sincerity and devotion, unlike other TF Movies! I can't understand, why people say, that it is the same as others. Previous Movies made you to feel compassion to heroes, to worry, to feel sorrow or happiness. TLK is just empty.
     
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  7. jackgaughan

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    I think it's just after ten years of the same plot, the same 5 main characters of Leader robot, buddy robot, man, woman, and comic relief, we just saw all the problems straight away.
    Which makes me think that the suits knew this, why else would they get Travis Knight a guy that is the opposite of Bay to make the next movie? They knew this was the last straw. Same with the animated movie, you can't do this ancient transformer bullshit relic in some exotic location if it's on Cybertron.
     
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    It's the pacing and the God awful editing that did it in for me. Add in the unnecessary scenes (submarine date? Cade vs drones? Submarine backflip that re used a blatantly obvious not-supposed-to-be-there shot from Revenge of the Fallen?) as well as Optimus being far too cheesy and lame and you've got yourself a TF movie that disappoints more than the rest.
     
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    I think it's because it came out after AOE. While AOE does have it's flaws it still is the one I like the most because it did improve on many things. For example good villains, lots of screen time and lines for autobots also just for the transformers in general, it also made the world feel bigger and set up some sequels. I will be honest I even found the humans in AOE fun to watch.


    The issues I have with TLK are the following it doubles down on everything we dislike about the films such as stupid jokes that go on too long, interesting but weak villains, army scenes, lack of transformers, and of course forgetting things in the other movies. Also I know that people say all the films are just rehashes of each other but I only feel that way about TLK because to me it feels like it is trying to do something AOE already did to name two for example humans as villains I really felt that AOE covered this whole arc and ended it but TLK feels humans still need to be evil. TLK also wants to set up sequels which is something AOE already did and better.
     
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  10. Chris James

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    For me, it's the second act. The first act was was a lot of fun for me. The pacing was good, lots of fun scenes and the movie was genuinely funny. My biggest problem was the overlong drone chase but I thought I was in for the best TF movie yet.

    The second act is just dreadful. From the time they leave Burton's castle to when Nemesis Prime comes to earth, the film is a horrible watch. Terrible storytelling, horrible pacing, painfully unfunny, lame submarine scenes and the film committed the ultimate sin that a TF film just can not do which is sideline the bots. Seriously, wtf? All we get is Cogman who was way oversused and Bumblebee who was reduced to chauffeur status until his fight with Prime.

    It's just unacceptable. Had the 2nd act just been simply competent or even just slightly subpar I think the reception would've been a lot different because I think the 3rd act was pretty solid(or at least watchable).
     
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  11. Galva Prime

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    Definitely the pacing; the second act was like the Cade, Vivian and Cogman show.


    Things were set up in AOE that TLK didn’t follow up on.
    • The creators were set up butch replaced with Quintessa.
    • No real acknowledgement of Optimus and Dinobots being knights or how they fit in with the other knights, let alone a continuation of who were the knights that travelled the cosmos in the Knightship that Lockdown commandeered (given that the 12 knights had the underwater ship that just also happened to be tool for stealing energy from a planet).
    • Dinobots all but being ignored, but silly baby dinos thrown in with no real purpose or consequence.
    • Galvatron turns back to Megatron, but how this happened (and how Megalvatron managed to get to Quintessa and back to Earth quicker than it took Optimus to reach her) only implied by a red mark on his face.
    • A big deal made of introducing the Decepticons with all but one of the released prisoners dying immediately.
    • Most of the Decepticons being figures of fun rather than a real threat.
    • Cogman being a headmaster but not actually doing any headmastering.
    • Bumblebee acquiring the ability to put himself back together out of nowhere.
    • Izabella and Squeeks being introduced but then barely doing anything.
    Just a few things.
     
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    the editing and the pacing, in addition to the plot and the acting that you mentioned. basically, every part of this movie is awful.
     
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    Too many MacGuffins / artifacts. Pendant, Staff. Exalibur thing (which was the staff). Most transformers movies have this problem. Pick ONE.
    Too many locations.
    Sir Exposition slowing everything down.
    Too many extra characters by 2.
    Less than clear motivations for Megatron after he loses the fight with the Autobots besides "get the staff". Semi-contradictory consider he worked with the humans before. It's just really not clear.

    A fan edit could fix a ton of this film. I think the failure really is in the editing.

    On the plus side, this ending had REAL consequences. No reset button on Cybertron being tethered to Earth. That's pretty awesome.
     
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  15. Ash from Carolina

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    From a box office perspective I think there is a going to the well too many times factor. No long running franchise manages to get there without some major shake up to bring the franchise into line with what's cool in movies at the time. Look at how James Bond has changed not only the actors but the tone of the films to fit the times. Also on the Bond theme they couldn't have James Bond just fight the Russians forever, at some point the groups that Bond would fight had to better reflect the things viewers would see in the world around them. Transformers hasn't really changed to keep up with the rapid change in movies since the first movie was released.

    While people here are very loyal to the characters I don't think the general public has latched onto the characters in the way the fans have. The human cast is constantly changing so there isn't the draw of one more adventure with Sam and the robots just aren't deep enough characters for people to latch onto them in the same way people latch onto the movie superheroes. Then toss in that the robot villains are kind of boring and ineffective compared to other film villains. Marvel can offer up things like Thor looses his hammer, his father dies, Thor loses an eye, Asgard gets destroyed leaving his people homeless and adrift. Transformers seems kind of dull in comparison with yet another world ending plot foiled, a pile of dead Decepticons you didn't know, and a token dead guy to keep it from looking 100% one sided.

    I think Paramount just made it too easy for the general public to walk away from the franchise.
     
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    Did any of the Autobots even die in TF5?
     
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    ugghhhh why is Bumblebee still here
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Pacing problems, combining stories that don't complement each other, humor and human focus really kill it.

    Actually here's a summary of things I posted a long time ago.

    • While none of the characters are as bad as the Twins. Some are just useless like Izzy, Sqweeks and baby Dinobots. Plus there is a lot of swearing in between so why bring in kid appeal?

    • Marky Mark is the Last Knight.... Ugh, he was fine as an inventor, there is no need to give him a destiny. Especially since my expectations on the Last Knight was a Transformer.

    • Megatron and Optimus, our main stars are portrayed poorly on screen. Optimus was absent with no character development given while Megatron is still second to none. Frank Welker and Peter Cullen's talents are wasted. Further solidifying why we hate the human focus to this day because the humans are dumb characters.

    • Hokey humor that we asked Bay to stop doing makes a comeback and I just think Bay doesn't have it in him to be consistent with fixing complaints.

    • We are five movies in and we are still learning history. While the King Arthur stuff looked cool it felt forced just to insert the Knights of Cybertron.

    • Unicron was a missed opportunity to tie in things from the previous films on why Transformers keep coming back to Earth. Bad storytelling yet again keeps us having to make stuff up. I even made a thread on this. What a waste.

    • Action while cool to look at is lackluster. Even the best fight sucked because it is two of the main characters going at each other and there was no emotional core to it. ROTF had the forest fight that blows this fight away. Too much military showcase.

    • The movie acts like I don't know certain things happened in the past. Like Galvatron into Megatron or where were the Creators? The plural ones?

    • Decepticons wasted. At least with ROTF, I didn't have to worry about Decepticons with character all too much.

    • Finally. It is hokey as hell. Some of the stuff they wrote felt like it was done when they were high. Given that Akiva Goldsman contributed, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one to put in a Da Vinci Code act.

    Also I wanted to like this movie adds to the suffering.

    Uh Canopy?
     
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