When does the marvel run get good?

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  1. ErbFan28

    ErbFan28 Well-Known Member

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    I'm planning on buying the original Marvel run in the form of the Transformers Classics comics (at least volume 1 for now, could change though). Is the beginning of the Marvel series good? When do you think the Marvel run hits its peak?

    I'm not made of money, so even though I want to eventually purchase the entire series, for right now I want to get the best comics (of whats been released anyway).
     
  2. DJW107PRIME

    DJW107PRIME Autobot Hero TFW2005 Supporter

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    I liked the Matrix quest. And some of the UK stuff is neat like Target 2006. I wish I could be of more help but I'm away from my collection atm.
     
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    Its all quaint.
    I liked #1 to #25.
    I liked #38 to #50.
    Issues #58 to #80.

    I don't know the UK stuff but its even better.
     
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    Thundershot The guy with 28 Sweeps

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    Highlights for me are 6-8, 17-18, 26-30, 38-50, 56+..
     
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    ScottyP Got The Touch

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    I was never able to get into it until around issue 60 (give or take a few, it's been awhile). Even then it's hit or miss. Last 5 issues are pretty boss, pick up the 100-page version of those from IDW if you can, it's only like $8.
     
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    Issue 5.

    It's got rough patches after that, but that's like the first drop of the roller coaster that carries you the rest of the way.
     
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    Cax6ton Insufferable Smartass

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    I liked the whole series up to somewhere around #32 - somewhere around Car Wash Of Doom the whole thing just fell to pieces and didn't pick back up again until the Underbase Saga. Although #17-18 really stand out, each issue had something redeeming about it until the whole thing got silly in the 30's. The underbase, matrix quest, and the final story arc were worthwhile.
     
  8. Aernaroth

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    It really depends on personal choice. For example, I absolutely loved the story at the beginning, that led into things like warrior school and the smelting pool. But at the same time, the standalone stories inside that era might not have... resonated with me as much, even if I still find them really fun and wacky to look back on.

    I guess my advice is to read the entire run, suffer through the parts you don't like to find the ones you do, because I imagine they'll be worth it.
     
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  9. Chris McFeely

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    The opening mini-series isn't too hot - it gets better exponentially with each of its passing four issues, but that first issue is DIRE, and in general the whole thing is just another crummily-written, farted-out toy tie-in advert-comic. But once Budiansky got control of it with issue #5 everything locked into place very quickly - up to #12 in particular is pretty much spot-on, with the especially great William-Johnson-drawn Ratchet/Megatron/Dinobot issues. The book remains solid until the early-to-mid #30s, with only a few hiccups like Prime's very odd death, but really great highlights like "Return of Cybertron", and ideas that might seem unusual but which REALLY worked on the page like Blaster and Goldbug on the lam, and Ratbat as Decepticon leader. The cracks started appearing with stuff like "Spacehikers" and "Toy Soldiers", though Budiansky was compensating with the concurrently published and well-good Headmasters mini-series, after which - the late 30s and most of the 40s - the need for the comic to advertise the increasingly diverse sub-groups of new toys would only progressively get in the way of telling an ongoing story. It sort of rebounds for the Underbase Saga, which is big and explosive and full of characters but at the same time very clinical and little more than a large-scale deck-clearing exercise - and Budiansky never really recovers after that, with even more increasingly odd and doofy concepts. Then Furman comes in in the mid-50s and delivers pretty much great stuff through until the end.
     
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    That about sums it up Chris! Especially about the early issues drawn by Johnson. I wish he'd drawn more issues... he turned out probably the nicest art the book had outside of Senior (on the US books side... The UK side was brimming with great TF art.)
     
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    i'm actually enjoying simon's UK run better then his US run. wow
     
  12. Blitz Wing

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    If you're interested in any of the UK stories, Target: 2006 and Time Wars are top-notch.
     
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    The UK stuff is the pinncacle of the Marvel saga, but I rather enjoyed the series right from the start and issue #1. And like every comic series, even when TF does hit a high point, it doesn't then mean it STAYS there consistently. It was up and down for the whole ride...

    But what a ride!!
     
  14. ErbFan28

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    Just got volume one of Transformers Classics yesterday. I've only had time to read the first issue. It wasn't bad, but it was kinda boring
     
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    As others have said, the main thing that I think really crippled Budiansky midway through his run was just the sheer, unadulterated, unrelenting VOLUME of new toys, err, "characters" that Hasrbro was requiring him to introduce. Seemingly every new issue was just introducing boatloads of new characters, with seemingly each new concept more and more difficult to explain in a storyline at all even on a kids level. I mean come on, having to try to actually write any semblance of reason why Autobots would don "Pretender" shells of giant sized humans while their Decep counterparts don shells of non-existent organic monsters? That is an ABSURDLY difficult task, and Budiansky did a valiant effort, but you can almost kinda sense him internally giving up midway through on having real control of the storyline. But early on in the series when the character count was at least relatively low enough that he could really compress things down to ongoing stories that he himself wanted to tell, that was some great and fun stuff. Everything is tongue in cheek, but that and the moments of humor with humans just kinda work.

    You wonder what might have happened, as with Simon Furman being left alone to just create his own thing in the early part of the IDW run, if Budiansky had been given a similar chance to just take a certain chunk of the characters he'd created and liked most and just go do his thing on a storyline rather than having to adjust to bring in wave upon wave of new toys/characters each month. Then again, Budiansky was different from Furman in that he just viewed all of this as "doing his job" and wasn't otherwise particularly passionate about the franchise itself...so it could be that if you just left him on his own, his answer is he wouldn't have done a damn thing, because there was no more job to do. Soon as they either stopped asking him to write more to help sell toys or as soon as he ran out of ideas, he considered his job to be done, I guess.
     
  16. mirage4lifeyo

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    As others have said, it will pick up around issue 5 when Shockwave takes over within the story and Budiansky takes over the writing duties. Some fun twists start to emerge. The first couple issues of the original mini-series are pretty much just basic good guy vs bad guy stuff not very distinguishable from the cartoon.
     
  17. mrgalvaprime

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    If you decide to get the uk collections as well, here is a reading order i sort of sussed out with Transformers Classics Volumes 1-3 and Transformes classics UK volumes 1-2:
    1. State games
    2. And there shall come… a leader
    3. The Transformers pt1
    4. The Transformers pt2
    5. To a power unknown
    6. Man of Iron pt1
    7. Man of iron pt2
    8. Man of iron pt3
    9. Man of iron pt4
    10. Power Play pt1
    11. Power play pt2
    12. Prisoner of War pt1
    13. Prisoner of War pt2
    14. The Last stand pt1
    15. The enemy within pt1
    16. The enemy within pt2
    17. The enemy within pt3
    18. The enemy within pt4
    19. The enemy within pt5
    20. Raiders of the last ark pt1
    21. Raiders of the last ark pt2
    22. Raiders of the last ark pt3
    23. Raiders of the last ark pt4
    24. The last stand pt2
    25. The new order pt1
    26. The new order pt2
    27. The worse of two evils pt1
    28. The worse of two evils pt2
    29. Warrior school pt1
    30. Warrior school pt2
    31. Repeat Performance pt1
    32. Repeat performance pt2
    33. Decepticon dam-busters pt1
    34. Decepticon dam-busters pt2
    35. The wrath of Guardian
    36. The wrath of Grimlock
    37. Dis-Integrated circuits pt1
    38. Dis- integrated circuits pt2
    39. The next best thing to being there pt1
    40. The next best thing to being there pt2
    41. Brainstorm pt1
    42. Brainstorm pt2
    43. Prime Time pt1
    44. Prime Time pt2
    45. Christmas Breaker
    46. Crisis of command pt1
    47. Crisis of command pt2
    48. Crisis of command pt3
    49. The Icarus theory pt1
    50. The Icarus theory pt2
    51. Dinobot hunt pt1
    52. Dinobot hunt pt2
    53. Dinobot hunt pt3
    54. Dinobot hunt pt4
    55. Shooting Star pt1
    56. Shooting star pt2
    57. Rock and roll out pt1
    58. Rock and roll out pt2
    59. I, Robot master pt1
    60. I, Robot master pt2
    61. Victory
    62. Plight of the Bumblebee pt1
    63. Plight of the bumblebee pt2
    64. Robot buster pt1
    65. Robot buster pt2
    66. Devastation derby pt1
    67. Devastation derby pt2
    68. Second generation pt1
    69. Second generation pt2
    70. The Smelting pool pt1
    71. The Smelting pool pt2
    72. The bridge to nowhere pt1
    73. Second generation pt3
    74. The bridge to nowhere pt2
    75. Command Performances pt1
    76. Command performances pt2
    77. In the national interest pt1
    78. In the national interest pt2
    79. In the national interest pt3
    80. In the national interest pt4
    81. Showdown pt1
    82. Showdown pt2
    83. Aerialbots over America pt1
    84. Aerialbots over America pt2
    85. Heavy traffic pt1
    86. Heavy traffic pt2
    87. Decepticon Graffiti pt1
    88. Decepticon Graffiti pt2
    89. Hunted
    90. Missing in action
    91. The mission
    92. Plague of the Insecticons
    93. The return of the transformers
    94. Afterdeath pt1
    95. Afterdeath pt2
    96. Gone but not forgotten pt1
    97. Gone but not forgotten pt2
    98. Funeral for a friend pt1
    99. Funeral for a friend pt2
    100. King of the hill pt1
    101. King of the hill pt2
    102. Mechanical difficulties pt1
    103. Mechanical Difficulties pt2
    104. Crater critters pt1
    105. Crater critters pt2
    106. The cure pt1
    107. The cure pt2
    108. Buster Witwicky and the carwash, of DOOM pt1
    109. Buster Witwicky and the carwash, of DOOM pt2
    110. Used Autobots pt1
    111. Used Autobots pt2
    112. Child's play pt1
    113. Child's play pt2
    114. Spacehikers pt1
    115. Spacehikers pt2
    116. Toy Soldiers pt1
    117. Toy Soldiers pt2
    118. Trial by fire pt1
    119. Trial by fire pt2
    Note: by pt1 of a US stroy i mean the first 11 pages and by pt2 i mean pages 12-22
     
  18. Jaicen

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    The first four issues are pretty terrible actually, though the spider man cameo is nice.
    They're actually more fun to read after you e gotten into the series proper, then you can look at it as a sort of curious beginning.
    Trust me, when Shockwavd turns up, things get a lot more interesting.
     
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    Thanks.

    Is this order different from the "between-issue" notes in the books? It looks like you left some of the UK issues out too.
     
  20. ErbFan28

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    just got Classics UK volume 1 in the mail. I haven't read it but I flipped through the pages a little bit and really like the art. It's really good compared to what I saw in issue 1
     

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