What would Lugnut do...

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  1. IronicHide

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    Just a thread for wants and random guesses. And, despite the below, it's not a discussion of Prime and his value relative to genitalia.

    I have no spoilers myself, and enjoy idle speculation.

    Some of us posters are impressed with the character arcs of Optimus Prime (possibly a 'dick', but an understandable one, given his and our experience of the Transformers in Detroit) and the other Autobots. Well done the writing team, it all comes together.

    I, though, feel the Decepticons have been short-changed. This may be due to a lack of screen presence but we could have had some hints.

    Only BA has had any real internal and external conflict. Starscream is treacherous, Lugnut devoted, and Blitzwing insane. From intro to present.

    What, possibly, could the bad guys, within a kids' cartoon, be written to do, understand, feel, change their mind about, or overlook?

    Can bad guys do such a thing? Can war machines?

    For instance, I was wondering if Megatron would feel a flicker, just one tiny flinch, of remorse for turning on Sumdac. Apparently not.

    We've seen Octane, Blitzwing and Thundercracker have doubts and turn-arounds in G1. Skywarp's bio makes him sound aloof and thoughtful. I'm sure those of you with BW/M have a bunch of examples.

    What, but what, would you want to see in, say, series three and four?

    How about Lugnut and Blitzwing realising that just maybe they are the only friend the other one will ever have? Does that compromise them?

    Or, Starscream, after years of persistent failure finally fall apart?
     
  2. Radioactive Ravage

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    You have to remember that this is a kids show. The characters are going to be one-dimensional, and they will play up those dimensions as much as they can. Right now, there's only one question that can be raised for the Decepticons: how they function as a group. That's going to be where the true character shines.

    You're expecting a bit much from the show, especially the villains. The heroes are allowed to be multi-dimensional because they're the focus. By the descriptions of of the episodes, the Decepticons are not featured in a majority. Why present such character options, then? One aspect that is different from G1, where the Decepticons WERE in episodes prominently.
     
  3. vektsilver

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    I would say your expecting too little.

    The OP makes the point we have seen this in other shows , kids show or not, if you feel its just a kid show why even show up here to post. Transformers right now is a phenomenon that spans generations so its a little more than just a kids show sorry to burst that bubble.

    I think the contradictions the OP mention are already being exhibited Sound Wave for one decided against listening to megatron and wanted to side with bulkhead if he would only agree to help him enslave the humans. There has been dissension amongst the ranks making prowl disobey prime to let the dinobots live. Even Bumble in the latest episode is showing free will against the group because he believes prime to be wrong.

    If you want to watch the Smurfs where every caracter does their label go ahead and stop posting here but sorry to say transformers regardless what most will think is a culture all unto its own and deserves and demands more from its shows. Otherwise websites like this one wouldnt exist. Animated is excelling at the complexity that was in the G1 series minus the occasional bad episode in G1. The Decepticons just havent had enough screen time to develope those complexties
     
  4. shroobmaster

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    Actualy, Season 2 is apparently Decepticon-packed considering most episode descriptions have something like "Blah blah blah Bumblebee blah blah blah, DECEPTICONS SHOW INTEREST" in fact, there's probably Decepticons in the episodes that got no Decepticons in the synopsis.

    So yeah on topic, I bet Lugnut and Blitzwing's friendship gonna be used later on the series, considering the two are the closest to "friends" Decepticons have.
     
  5. Sol Fury

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    I'm guessing maybe we'll see hints of conflict within the Decepticons. Lugnut's utter devotion to Megatron might take a hit at some stage, if Megatron ever treated him as expendable (until now, Megatron's needed him. What would Lugnut's reaction be if he were cast aside?)

    Starscream could go any number of ways. I'm guessing there might come a time when he might even question his betrayal of Megatron, depending on how badly things go for him. At the least, I'm hoping we get a look into why he thinks he could be the better Decepticon leader. There's some nice info in Megatron's profile about his past, I'd like to see that on screen sometime.
     
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  7. IronicHide

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    Vektsilver - thanks for backing me up, though I think RRavage makes some great points. Particularly will be TFA be one of those rarities that treats the foes as dramatic commodities? Certainly, a lot of children's shows don't. Even the West Wing doesn't in the early series.
    (RR's also right that I do expect too much from TFA. I almost have the shakes trying to resist writing four-hour-portmanteau-movie fan fiction, sort of The Longest Day in Detroit, or My Dinner With Optimus Prime.)

    I'd hope the Decepticons are expanded - Hasbro have to sell Lockdown units, too.

    SolF - there's great ideas for Starscream and Lugnut, right there.
     
  8. Magelite

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    I personally see Lugnut's one-dimensionality as the main element of his character, his unwavering zeal to follow Megatron. Although it would be cool to see that loyalty challanged. In addition, I'd like to see some interaction between him and Bulkhead, since they're both the super-strong characters.

    Blitzwing, however, although he has his triple-personality gimmick, we haven't seen much actual character come out of him. He's neither treacherous nor zealous, he just seems to be a hired goon.
     
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    While I am personally very content with the amount of character developments we're seeing in Animated thus far, I would love to see the 'Cons get some more spotlight besides blowing stuff up.

    What was Megatron's motivation that sparked the great war? Does he really see himself as a hero?

    What does Lugnut see in Megatron that he worships him as the saviour of Cybertron?

    Why is Blitzwing with the Decepticons? How is it that he and Lugnut share this odd bond of comradery unlike any other Decepticon pair?

    Or are all these merely the stuff of fanfictions?
     
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    r u saying lugnut n blitz are ghaaaaaaayyyy????? :( 
     
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    If I was a raving fangirl with some semblence of artistic and writing talent, I'd definitely use it to draw and write Blitzwing/Lugnut slash pics and fics. :lol 

    And then maybe draw a kitty Lugnut, cause that's always cool.
     
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    GYAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well i'd like to see an arc on Blacrchinda going the Autobots to find a cure and Optimus and blackarchinda well become in love with each other.

    or

    An arc also should be dedictaed to Lugnut and blitzwing as they've already said, Lugnut and Blitzwing are friends they just don't see it becuase Lugnut is Obietident and Blitzwing has a Split personaility Disorder.Kinda as how much they can't get along their still the best friend they ever had. (No Brokeback Mountain Parody) I don't go that far. (Sorta the fRiendship that Stewie and brain from Family guy have.
     
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    Neither Blitzwing nor Lugnut seem concerned about the other's well being but then again we havn't really seen them in a situation where they might be.
    I think that they have just been working alongside each other for a long time rather then actually being friends.

    I also think it's interesting how in Lost and Found Megatron only just noticied that Blitz is a bit unstable, shows you how much attention he pays to his troops. :lol 
     
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    KA - hahaha, Blitzwing and Lugnut really are quite the married couple at times.

    It's not an unreasonable idea that they are not friends, they never have been friends, they frustrate each other, they just happen to have spent more time with each other than any other two Decepticons (except perhaps Megatron and Starscream, which is why they're so frazzled). One day, when put to the test they may realise this has been through choice and their characters have a 'moment of evolution'.

    Say Blitzwing goes haywire and is ordered to be destroyed, would Lugnut speak up? Say Lugnut's fanaticism puts himself in danger, would Blitzwing try to stop him?

    Neither scenario has to be a total change of heart, or make any Decepticon renounce violence or allegiance. That has been the case with Octane, Waspinator, Armada SS, and others, to degrees, and is a little over-stretching my point (or my wants).

    Just throw a shadow behind these guys.

    Most importantly, would a kids' show do this? Does it want to give drama, choice, and conflict to 'naughty and thuggish robots'? I'd say TFA has shown that it could (if not would) do such.

    Also, yes, Lugs and Schitzwing are the Bert and Ernie (both It's A Wonderful Life and Sesame Street incarnations) of the operation. Megs and SS are Ace Rothstein and Ginger out of Casino.
     
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    Well Lugnut and Blitzwing are clearly the closest to FRIENDS Decepticons can be.
    For example, in Lost and Found when Lugnut punchs Blitzwing, when he headbutts him or when he lets the wrecking ball hit him, Blitzwing doesn't react in the generic YOU IDIOT YOU HIT ME *VILLAIN FIGHT* way.
     
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    My guess, he'd eagerly and happily give up life, limb and spark to please his master. Why wouldn't he? He is utterly and totally devoted to the mighty and powerful lord Megatron. Lugnut's life doesn't belong to Lugnut, it belongs to Megatron.

    However, I feel that Megatron sees this unwaivering loyalty and unquestionable faith and wouldn't just waste such a powerful warrior, in both physical strength and (surprisingly) tactical compitence, unless it was absolutely necessary.

    Why do people keep saying they're friends? From what I've seen, they really don't like each other, they're just troops under the same command and following common orders and goals. I see their working together as more of a mutual need as there's strength in numbers then an actual friendship.

    Again, my guess, if Megatron ordered Lugnut to destroy Blitzwing, Lugnut would follow orders without a second thought. And as far as I'm concerned, we've already seen Blitz try to stop Lug and his fanaticism but to no avail.

    As stated before, Lugnut's singleminded loyalty and subserviance to Megatron is his character. He's supposed to be one-dimensional. Until they explain why he is so loyal and start to shake up that foundation somehow, I doubt he'll ever waiver as Meg's loyal pet.

    And Blitz, well he *is* just a crazy, hired goon imo...
     
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    Definitely agree, the Decepticons need more screen time for focus episodes, otherwise their characters will never been fleshed out.

    I wouldn't mind seeing an explanation or background on why Blitzwing has multiple personality disorder. How common is it in Cybertronians. Was he always like that? Maybe they drop back to the Shockwave "experiments" and Blitz developed MPD to cope with it.

    I agree Lugnut is fanatically loyal and that's really all he needs to be. It even gets on Megatron's nerves, from time to time. But I doubt Megs would waste such a valuable soldier on something petty. Especially when he has to deal with troops like Starscream.
     
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    i do think i have a reason for lugs devotion. on the back of his toy packaging it says he was an arena fighter that sole purpose was being the toughest around and he was well if a powerful warrior like that meets another warrior vastly more powerful he would respect and follow him.
     
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    EXACTLY! From what you've seen. Just because you don't see any sign of friendship doesn't mean it's completely ruled out, for all we know the writers could go that way.

    Hopefully not too far on that way considering the DA fangirls would get a hint.
     

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