What should happen in TF3

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  1. boxerperson

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    According to ME. Yeah, I know there's a ton of these threads already, so mods feel free to merge this is you think it's clutter.

    Anyways, the only Cons left (that we've been introduced to, there could always be more on earth who still haven't shown themselves) are Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream, and Barricade. (We still have not seen what happened to barry in any official capacity)

    Megs, Soundwave and Starscream are 3 of the heavies from G1, so that's a pretty good group right there, but Shockwave needs to be introduced. Shockwave could follow in the footsteps of his G1 character and be big on experimentation. Starscream already has all those hatchlings that he's unable to bring to life...Shockwave could find Megatron and bring a ship-full of sparks removed from decepticons after they were too heavily damaged to live.

    Using some kind of cloning process, Shockwave could take the work that starscream was already underway with, and modify it. Have him hook Starscream up to the system in control of growing the hatchlings and they could take on his form, or perhaps his PROTOform. Insert the captive sparks into them and they could finally have life. Obviously this would be a great way to introduce Skywarp and Thundercracker. Have Barricade transported to the Nemesis and use his body as another blueprint to hook up to the hatchling system, and insert more captive sparks into the resulting bodies. This could provide us with Stunticons (with Barricade replacing Motormaster as their leader) and open the way for some really kick ass car chases with the autobots, something that's been missing. The cloned hatchlings with the sparks of Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the other stunticons could come to earth in their protoform modes and pick new alt-modes. Barricade could scan one of the new 2010 Mustangs and lose the cop decor.

    With Starscream and his air force, and barricade and his quick moving ground force, as well as Megatron and Shockwave, the Decepticons would have a killer team to take to earth and go head on with the remaining Autobots and human militaries. Soundwave could maintain control of tactical operations and use his remaining minions to locate energy sources that are poorly defended, and the Decepticons could pull a very G1-esque move and have their goal be a massing of energon to return to Cybertron and regroup/refit and prepare for a full scale invasion. Barricade could lead his Stunticons on diversion missions, wreaking havoc to draw autobot attention while Megatron, Shockwave, Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp attack the real targets: poorly defended energy sources.

    Tada. Simple story, no Mcguffin, G1 nods, fan favorite characters. Sam could continue his growth into a man. Having proved himself to the Autobots AND the US government in the previous two encounters, he could be acting as an official liason with Optimus, alongside Mikaela. Bumblebee could be their escort, preserving the boy-and-his-car basis of the movieverse. The stunticons could be after Bumblebee, the Twins, and Sam/Mikaela with their diversion missions. The Autobots would HAVE to protect sam, as he still contains the remnants of the Allspark, and all the cybertronian historical records.
     
  2. hunterelf

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    wtf, hell no

    tf3 should only be about starscream betraying megatron, a three way war with the autobots
     
  3. Starscreamer95

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    And the big threat is...?
     
  4. MegaHavok

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    OK great but whats the story?????
     
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    Cool story, bro.
     
  6. boxerperson

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    That could easily be worked into something like this. Starscream could allow Shockwave to take command and support him with his hatchlings, with the goal of undermining Megatron's command, and a plan to usurp command from Shockwave once megatron is out of the way.

    Purposely left out a "big threat." The threat would be a simple, well orchestrated plot by the Decepticons, without some special Mcguffin to save the day at the end like in the previous two movies. One of the biggest shortcomings of the movies so far is the plot structure; it's too dependant on some special artifact. Instead of a concentrated effort to hunt down some magical item, a simple multi-pronged attack by the decepticons in multiple locations at once to divide the autobot forces would make for a refreshing movie and allow for several stories running simultaneously. Stunticons creating havoc around the US in their search for Sam and Bumblebee, while the main autobot force is occupied trying to stop the decepticons overseas as they harvest more and more energon. Maybe the Decepticons are gathering it to repair and refit the Nemesis and bring it the rest of the way to Earth.

    Story would just be fleshed out character moments between battles, instead of a plot structure that built towards some struggle over a single item. Sam and Mikaela could be developed more, maybe with a focus on what the Allspark is doing to him, as well as pitting Bumblebee against Barricade and 4 other Stunticons simultaneously, while the rest of the autobots try and locate the decepticons before they gather enough energon to make a final assault. Think of it like this: MTMTE on steroids (bayroids?). I've always found that the simplest story structure possible usually results in a better movie, because it allows a focus on the characters instead of the events.

    Also, a story structure that was split between Barricade's personal vendetta against Bumblebee, Sam and Mikaela, and Megatron/Starscream/Shockwave's struggle for power among their own ranks while they plan and execute attack after attack on overseas energy plants with the Autobots arriving too-late time and again would allow Bay to focus on some of the things he likes so much: Human vs Decepticon carnage on multiple set pieces one after another, with car chases in between, without succumbing to a confused mcguffin ridden plot that forces strange story moments with lots of exposition. Let the autobots lose their battles against Megatron, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Soundwave and Shockwave. The Decepticons could successfully gather the energon they need to repair and refit the Nemesis, and leave earth, while the Stunticons defeat Bumblebee and kidnap Sam, with the goal of extracting the Allspark from his mind. The movie could end with Prime preparing defenses on earth, handing over cybertronian tech to the humans since he failed them, and putting the autobots to work on building a counter to the coming Decepticon threat: The Ark. That would be sufficiently dark, I think ;) 

    If a tangible plot by Starscream against his two superiors is needed, let him be the one who planned the capture of sam by Barricade and the stunticons. He could have some kind of plan to use the knowledge contained in the Allspark against Megatron/Shockwave. Something could easily be fleshed out there.
     
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    That is a good idea. But I also want them to slow down on the humor.
     
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    Eh, I just want a better kind of humor - With the Decepticons, more of the dark humor that Megatron had when about to cut open Sam's brain.
     
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    Yeah, and Menasor. We've already got one long nose semi, and Barricade is a better fit for leader of the Stunticons anyways, since he's another sports car. It also fits better storywise, since it plays on the rivalry Barry had with BB in the first movie.

    And frankly speaking, gestalts don't really work all that well. It just makes for a big slow target. Devastator was just big and useless, except for demolitions, and the Constructicons put up a better fight individually. Stunticons being speed-focused characters, having them combine into a massive robot would just slow them down. Fight choreography-wise, smaller, fast robots working as a team looks much more impressive than one big guy who just absorbs lots of damage from enemies that he can't catch.


    I described the story structure I had in mind because it's a change of pace from the "bigger, louder" progression that action movies seem to get stuck in. Pulling back from end of the world apocalypse devices and making the Autobot/Decepticon war on earth one of attrition not only loosens up the story for better characterization, it also lets the battles get away from the long buildup with a crazy climax that the last two movies have suffered from. Smaller battles spaced evenly throughout the film in a progression towards a simple military goal (gather enough supplies to revive the Nemesis) would just help the pacing so much, and it would set the next film up for a full force invasion, perhaps with some space-battles. It would also allow for evenly spaced characterization for both factions, in the down time between each attack.

    RotF was amazing fun, much more fun than the first movie, but anybody would admit that it was flawed. Further progressing the structure to become even more insane would, I think, push past was was tolerable. RotF was already dangerously close to being a complete overload. Any more extreme and the audience would lose perspective...any character moments that were included would have to be jarringly over the top just to compete with the action and not completely throw the pace of the movie off. I want to avoid that. Sam/Mikaela and Sam's parents were awesome, as was Simmons. It would be nice to see those character really buckle down and get a tad more serious though. Sam's transformation into a leader seemed to be complete at the end of RotF, and I think his character should be kept more mature from here on out. Leo can replace him as the panicky frazzled character. A simple "escape" storyline for Sam would allow him to come into his own and really put his mind (and Allspark knowledge) to use aiding Bumblebee.
     
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    That's like saying "We're ditching Barricade, we've already got a few fast cars". Too many honkin' semi-truck Transformers? I can't agree with that. And there's so many ways to pull off Motormaster. They could keep the traditional cab + trailer forms robot format with movie-brand aesthetics, which if they give Prime a Powermaster quality treatment in the third film would make for some even-ness there. Or they could just keep it semi-forms-robot-alone style, in which case there's hundreds of different semi trucks available for use, not just that particular long-nose Peterbilt.

    Aww, don't hate broadly on gestalts/combiners just for the mistakes the movie makers made with RotF Devastator.

    But then why have a specialized Barricade group called 'The Stunticons'? It's just a bunch of Decepticon cars driving around until they're battle fodder. Given Bay's want of WOW and Hasbro's need for gimmick, I'd say a combined form need be in order regardless.

    I do absolutely like where you're going for goal on the Decepticons mostly. Earth has so many resources for energy, with the Allspark & Sunharvester out of commission, the Cons should finally realize a global harnessing of fuels & power supplies is in order.
     
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    But even Mtmte has a basic story that you can summarize. For Example:

    A group of robotic aliens must stop their enemies from stealing earth's resources to power their new rocket ship.

    OR

    A Boy must help his alien car find an powerful artifact in order to save the planet

    If your going to have a simple story you should be able summarize it simply thats all
     
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    Wasn't hating on gestalts because of Devastator's treatment. I just hate them regardless. Never liked them in G1 either. Gimmick with no real advantages from a strategy point of view.

    And there would be no need to name them as the stunticons. Just use the individual character names from that team and leave it at that ;) 
     
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    Unicron should come and kill everyone so hard, he blasts them into a virtual reality that is stopmotions! OOH OOH! and there should be no plot, just hours of giant robots beat'n the cybertronian shit out of each other, and megatron killing people and Makayla should die! everyone should die!!!
     
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    Ok....

    But you know you DID just summarize what I said. A group of robotic aliens must stop their enemies from stealing earth's resources to power their new rocket ship. That would be what I described....the only difference is that they'd be repairing their old ship instead of building a new one.

    The particulars of how they run distraction missions elsewhere at the same time, and other things that I fleshed out a little...would be like describing the individual decepticon raids from MTMTE. Something not necessary when doing a one-line summary of the plot, but still important.
     
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    yah, thats how I like my movies!
     
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    lol

    You need to rent Dragon Wars immediately.
     
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    Not Mini Cons.
     
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