What is the first "true" original Transformer

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  1. motorhead9999

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    So at Botcon last year, we were given confirmation that Sunstreaker was indeed the "first" Transformer created, as it was the first design in the diaclone series. Then after a discussion in another thread about the scramble city concept, and how those were all originally diaclone designs that got passed up into the main Transformer line, it got me thinking. What was the very first transformer that was explicitly designed under the Transformers banner, without having been released/designed/conceptualized for another line? That would (I think) rule out the entire 84/85 line, and would place that distinction clearly in the 86 line. Hot Rod/Kup/Blurr I think would be my guess, as they seem to have a clearly different design aesthetic than anything that had been released till that point.

    Any thoughts on this?
     
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    mx-01 archon Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, the movie guys would probably be it, unless you want to count Decoys.
     
  3. Rodimus Major

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    What about the '85 Minibots? I don't think those were in a different line.
     
  4. Eman7673

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    They were made by Takara before '84
     
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    Kup. That old sumbitch has been kickin' it for eons.
     
  6. Rodimus Major

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    Ah, okay.
     
  7. Inikalord

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    86 was when they started using theyre own figures. Anything prior is either Diaclone or in the case of Skyfire, Macross.
     
  8. Rodimus Major

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    There were more toylines than that. Shockwave, Megatron, Perceptor, Soundwave, Omega Supreme, Whirl, Roadbuster, and the Deluxe Insecticons weren't Diaclone or Macross. Still, your point about them not using their own original figures until '86 stands, it appears.
     
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    your close but wrong

    megatron, soundwave, and i believe perceptor are part of microchange, which were made by takaratomy

    transformers is a combination of diaclone and microchange toys in one toyline

    whirl and roadbuster come from dorvack

    omega supreme and sky lynx were from the company i believe called toybox which tomy accquired before the merger with takaratomy

    shockwave is by one of those companies over there who's name i forget
     
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    How is that wrong? I just said they weren't Diaclone or Macross.
     
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    the way your post reads it seemed you were implying megatron, soundwave, and perceptor were liscensed for use for transformers like the jetfire mold was from macross
     
  12. IronicHide

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    Anyway, gentlemen, what about some of the series two TFs?
    I mean the Inferno mold, the Tracks mold, were they Diaclone, too?

    Or the Insecticons? Where'd they come from?

    (Genuinely asking, this stuff is interesting.)
     
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    Insecticons are Diaclone too.Not sure about Inferno, but Tracks was definately Diaclone.
     
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    there is an very obvious design change between the hasbro toy and the pre-transformers molds. You can tell the change very obviously for the move line with the simplification of molds and parts reduction. Who was the very first one?? I have no idea...Rodimus??
     
  15. wildfly

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    Indeed it was.

    IIRC, Tracks has the distinction of being the LAST Diaclone car released.
     
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    I always figured that any of the G1 stuff that provided little seats for "drivers" were originally a part of the Diaclone lineup...that would include Inferno and Grapple...but I would think that as other posts have indicated, figures that started coming out after the movie were probably original designs.
     
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    Right. All the toys with tiny drivers seats, including the Dinobots and Insecticons, were part of Diaclone, and despite breaking that rule, the Constructicons were too. All the "real size" toys (Megatron, Blaster, Soundwave, Reflector, Perceptor) were Microchange, which was a subset of Microman.
     
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    Tracks was a diaclone, but when he was designed he was intentionally created with the US market in mind, for what its worth. Not what the op asked, but a little nugget of useless info for you.

    Seeing as how the movie was commissioned before a single toy was sold (Hasbro were quite confident they had a hit), I would imagine all the movie toys were commissioned / designed around the same time, and could be considered the first "designed for the Transformers range" Transformers.

    Having said that, was it one of the second year mini-bots? Spray or Beachcomber?
     
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    I wonder about the 85 minibots also, they had obviously been designed, but had they been released for sale before the Transformers line? It would also be interesting to learn how the new wings for the 85 seekers came about, were they made at Hasbro's request or were they sitting in Takara's unused ideas pile?

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    I think I remember seeing TFW reference an ebay auction for the prototypes of the second group of minicars (seaspray, beachcomber, etc). Either that news story or the auction itself described these figures as the first that were designed to be Transformers, thus making them the first original Transformers.

    I may be wrong, though. This happened at least a year ago, if not earlier.
     

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