What if the movie sets a precedent for the cartoon?

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Ops_was_a_truck, Nov 1, 2006.

  1. Ops_was_a_truck

    Ops_was_a_truck JOOOLIE ANDREWWWWWS!!!!!!

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Posts:
    11,549
    Trophy Points:
    236
    Likes:
    +0
    Ebay:
    Okay, so...cards on the table - I'm not a big fan of the direction the film is going, based on what we've seen so far. However, I'm going to put aside my doubt and dislike in order to suggest the following:

    Assume the film does well AND, as a piece of cinema, impresses audiences of all ages. Assume it really breaks the mold and surprises us all.

    What if the 2007 film set a precedent for future Transformers cartoons? If so, what type of precedent would "Transformers:Heroes" and additional new TF cartoon shows have to live up to?
     
  2. Shaun_C

    Shaun_C The REAL One True fan Veteran TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2003
    Posts:
    7,121
    Trophy Points:
    251
    Likes:
    +0
    Probably not much different then X-Men:Evolution had to live up to X-Men or MTV's Spiderman had to live up to Spiderman.
     
  3. Steevy Maximus

    Steevy Maximus Movie Megs eats your soul

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2003
    Posts:
    2,626
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    201
    Likes:
    +1
    One word:

    Transtech
     
  4. Quantum_Penguin

    Quantum_Penguin Be seeing you...

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2002
    Posts:
    557
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Likes:
    +0
    Didn't Archer state at Botcon that the movie designs were considered seperate and wouldn't influence anything beyond the sequels?
     
  5. Ops_was_a_truck

    Ops_was_a_truck JOOOLIE ANDREWWWWWS!!!!!!

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Posts:
    11,549
    Trophy Points:
    236
    Likes:
    +0
    Ebay:
    Yeah, but that's not a set-in-stone decree. That's probably a tentative position. If the film did FANTASTICALLY well, both as a piece of cinema AND as a box-office moneymaker, I just wonder if we'd see "Transformers: Heroes" and/or other TF cartoons match the design aesthetic or the storytelling style or etc.
     
  6. MegaMoonMan

    MegaMoonMan www.megamoonman.com TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2004
    Posts:
    17,236
    News Credits:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    322
    Likes:
    +29
    Ebay:
    YouTube:
    Hopefully any further cartoons will be a little more adult oriented, and have more involved storylines and a more serious tone.

    I haven't seen much of the last two or three cartoon series, but what I did see hit me as very childish and dumbed down to the point that I couldn't watch.
     
  7. Ops_was_a_truck

    Ops_was_a_truck JOOOLIE ANDREWWWWWS!!!!!!

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Posts:
    11,549
    Trophy Points:
    236
    Likes:
    +0
    Ebay:
    Yeah, that's kinda where I was going with this. Like, if the film does WELL, perhaps we'll actually see this - well-written and well-drawn cartoons with a bit more intelligence. If the film kinda putters, I figure "Transformers: Heroes" will be the bailout maneuver for Hasbro and the studio powers-that-be for that series when it begins production.

    But the other thing I'm wondering about is the aesthetic. What if the final drafts of the TF designs - again, assume we'll be blown away when the film rolls around with designs we actually like - become so accepted by fans and viewers that they set the standard for Transformers for shows to come?
     
  8. MegaMoonMan

    MegaMoonMan www.megamoonman.com TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2004
    Posts:
    17,236
    News Credits:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    322
    Likes:
    +29
    Ebay:
    YouTube:
    What if they do? Then it'll be BM all over again, and 20 years from now when TFs take a whole new spin in some odd direction no one expected (I dunno, something really out there, like Transformers: Bacteria), people will refer back to now, and how stupid we were to argue about the movie designs. I really don't know how to answer the question, other than it will be accepted and stick around, or it won't.

    Heh, transforming bacteria. A story about Unicron's immune system. Could be cool, I guess.
     
  9. Quantum_Penguin

    Quantum_Penguin Be seeing you...

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2002
    Posts:
    557
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Likes:
    +0
    Only if they have Eddie Murphy voice Jazz and David Hyde Pierce do Prowl. :p 
     
  10. Ger_Hankey

    Ger_Hankey Now hiring evil minions

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2005
    Posts:
    367
    Trophy Points:
    121
    Likes:
    +0
    Who knows?
    The X-Men evolution cartoon is very different (asthetically) to the movies, but also different from the cartoons before it. The cartoon makers could go either way.

    It raises an interesting question though; if the cartoon Transformers wouldn't translate well to live-action, would the live-action TFs translate well to cartoons?
     
  11. Draven

    Draven Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2002
    Posts:
    23,860
    News Credits:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    286
    Likes:
    +5
    That'd be more than fine with me.
     
  12. The Phazer

    The Phazer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2002
    Posts:
    1,046
    Trophy Points:
    161
    Likes:
    +0
    If the movie performs well Hasbro marketing would overrule Aaron Archer on utilising the aesthetic in future I've little doubt.

    A prospect that would fill me with dread if I thought that there was any strong chance of this movie performing especially well.

    Phazer
     
  13. IACON

    IACON "That's Vector Sigma?" TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2005
    Posts:
    4,048
    Trophy Points:
    216
    Likes:
    +5
    I know it is a little off center, but if the movie does well (altought personally I doubt it) then we should invest in Hasbro's shares, cause their gonna be profitable.
     
  14. Ziero

    Ziero TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2006
    Posts:
    4,790
    Trophy Points:
    181
    Likes:
    +0
    I doubt they'd ever use these types of designs for anything other then a big screen motion picture. These things just don't translate as well into toys as the original asthetic does. Movies and animated series usually don't intermingle well and more often then not need many changes to do well.

    To put it bluntly, those shows were intentionally childish and dumbed down, and with good reason. A simple story made it easier for kids to watch. With more kids watching you can sell more toys and products. Just look at pokemon, that show has been repeating the same three stories for the past 7-8 years now. But because it's so simple kids watch and the products sell. On the other end of the spectrum is Beast Machines. When it first came out it was widely disliked. The story was too mature and too complex for most younger kids to follow it, as such the toys sold poorly. Though today many people see it as the best writen TF series, when it first came out it was that same writing that turned many people away.

    Having said that, I think the new Hero's show won't share any design elements from the movie other then having highly detailed bots and alt modes. It's also being done by CN iirc, meaning it will have a decent mix of story maturity and child drawing power, much like how the new He-Man cartoon was done. Though I'm guessing the new TF cartoon will have much less weapon spinning.
     
  15. .SentinelPrime Is Dead.

    .SentinelPrime Is Dead. Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2002
    Posts:
    2,219
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Likes:
    +0
    the spider-man movie did AWESOMLY. but the MTV cartoon didn't. so I guess that says a few things.
     
  16. Joe Moore

    Joe Moore Is Not Jim... Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2003
    Posts:
    14,471
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +7
    Ebay:
    Twitter:
    It didn't help that MTV aired many of the episodes out of order, aimed the show at completely the wrong audience, and had a very generic 2D filter over mediocre 3D models.
     
  17. .SentinelPrime Is Dead.

    .SentinelPrime Is Dead. Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2002
    Posts:
    2,219
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Likes:
    +0
    thats why i said. "a few things" instead of saying. "that says a lot. "
     
  18. KA

    KA PENIS GOES WHERE?!!

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2003
    Posts:
    23,225
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Likes:
    +17
    god i hope not. the movie design looks like shit.
     
  19. swarlock

    swarlock Autobot Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2002
    Posts:
    1,565
    Trophy Points:
    176
    Likes:
    +0
    If it does that I'll drop the line as easily as I did when The He-Man live action movie came out.
     
  20. nOObiE do0

    nOObiE do0 noobious maximus

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2006
    Posts:
    742
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Likes:
    +0
    Didnt they do a godzilla movie type cartoon?
    I think i woke up to it on a saturday once.
     

Share This Page