What if the 13 Original Transformers had ideological differences.

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  1. RedWolf

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    Watching Babylon 5 about the conflict of the Vorlons and Shadows gave me an idea that maybe the 13 Original Transformers which includes Primes had ideological differences.

    In Babylon 5 the constant cycle of interstellar war is attributed to the debate of the Vorlons and the Shadows. Both races followed the same guy, Lorien, but had ideological differences as to how to raise the younger races. Vorlons believed in order and obedience. Shadows believes chaos, that conflict makes one stronger, survival of the fittest.

    What if the original Transformers had similar disputes? For example the Liege Maximo represents evil and views himself as a counterpoint to the big good Prima. The Fallen represents Darkness in Exodus being again the direct opposite of Prima. Alpha Trion is good in most universes but in Shattered Glass evil as heck. Mayve he's the in between guy. Their ideological differences trickle down to the Transformer race which are or were their charges.

    In several continuities we see Autobot order and obedience paved the way to dissatisfaction that led Decepticon uprisings. Decepticons believe in strength hence the strongest are the leaders. While the Autobots pass their Matrix from one leader to the next.

    Optimus Prime's motto "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" reject outright obedience and survival of the fittest.

    Megatron's motto "Peace through Tyranny" accepts both order and warfare. Warfare is the only way to achieve order.
     
  2. Chris McFeely

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    Well, the fact that we've had these vague references to the "Breaking of the Primes" and some kind of war or conflict that erupted between them would certainly indicate that they did.
     
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    If one was Liege Maximo, and one was Megatronus, I think it's safe to say there WERE ideological differences.
     
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    How can A3 be evil in shattered glass when its been stated the original 13 are the same across the multiverse....

    and why was Nexus Maximus Prime shattered across 5 universes? did he do it to escape the conflict?
     
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    When Prima's Star Saber was shattered, Nexus Maximus, Alpha Trion and Vector Prime arranged to hide the fragments throughout space and time. Their location was known only to Nexus, and to keep that hidden, he had the other two use the edge of the blade to carve his body into five pieces who forgot their origins, thereby keeping the sword's location a secret.
     
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    Interesting, and after their reunion, was he able to still split back into the 5 or did the remerger become permanent?

    Nevermind, Nevermind, did some tfwiki research.
     
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    Because the Multiverse is full of crap.

    Just make it easier and take things at face value.
     
  8. General Magnus

    General Magnus Da Custodes of the Emprah

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    Not really. It´s the simplier way of acepting all of the TF continiutes. It works for DC and Marvel.
     
  9. Driftx3

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    I'm pretty sure that since Vector Prime, Leige Maximo, and Megatronus did indeed have different ideals. And I'm pretty certain that that's why there's a 4 billion year long civil war. Just sayin '...
     
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    Driftx3 lord of all things robot

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    Best comment e-var! If I was on that team I would marry you.
     
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    The Multiverse usually -is- taking it at face value. Big discrepancies in continuity or character development between cartoons and comics? Between 2 TV shows that are supposed to be sequels to each other? Between episodes of the very same show? Just blame it on those events happening in a seperate stream and voila, you no longer have to struggle to figure out why it happened! If more people would understand that, it would save us from the quarterly threads about Cyclonus and Skywarp.
     
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    There had to be differences, going way back to the original 13. Remember in War Within, The Fallen rejected Primus and embraced the chaos that is Unicron.
     
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    How 'bout the crap of Movie Prime not really being Prime because he is a murderous face taker?

    Or the "I thought the 13 were the same 13 thru all Universes... so what about Alpha Trion being evil in this 1 comic?"

    To me, it's the same as Hasbro's insistance that WFC=PRIME: just flush it. It doesn't really serve any purpose except to try and make some fanboys feel better about different continuities.
     
  14. General Magnus

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    Works for DC and Marvel, works for Transformers. Besides it´s not like Hasbro is forcing you at gunpoint.
     
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    Heh... whatever.
     
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    Right back at ya buddy. :p 
     
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    Did they actually say/do that?
     
  18. RedWolf

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    That continuity the Fallen was in charge of entropy.

    We only know a few of the 13 but two out of the six we know are evil.

    The difference between the Fallen and the Liege Maximo is that the Fallen actually betrayed Primus. The Liege Maximo well he was made to be a jerk.

    The Liege Maximo views evil as a necessity. In one continuity it is implied he spawned Megatron.

    In the US Marvel continuity the Transformers were created as weapons against Unicron as Primus can't fight him one on one to win.

    Well yeah having a bunch of pacifists goes against that function. A bit of evil and strife will mold both good and evil transformers into warriors.

    The Liege Maximo was again heard from in the Transtech universe in passing. There it seems he was a involved in a conspiracy within the government that Optimus Prime and Megatron broke. The Transtech universe has not experienced factionalism or war. It has the benefit of learning mistakes from other universes. Optimuses and Megatrons as well as McGuffins from other universes are banned though.

    Basically the Liege Maximo is Lawful Evil as opposed to the Fallen's Chaotic Evil.
     
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    Well, we know that Alpha Trion, Vector Prime, and Megatronus prime/The Fallen are, according to Hasbro, "multiversial entities" and since they are 3 of the 13, we can guess that the same would be true for the other 10, though AT being evil in SG still makes no sense to me.
     
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    Would you mind pointing me in the direction of something that confirms that much?
     

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