What do you think motivated the Nemesis? *spoilers?*

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  1. optimaloptimus2

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    FOC tells us that the Nemesis is actually Trypticon, forced to undergo a permanent transformation. That justifies his contempt of the 'Cons, but doesn't explain why he decodes the database. What do you think? Plot advancement? Shockwave? Alpha Trion?


    Plot Advancement?
     
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    His motivation was script direction, since Orion Pax wasn't around anymore somebody had to decode the coordinates.

    Although really "Flying Mind" only served to give the Autobots the coordinates for the artifacts during that block of episodes that all took place at the same time, since Soundwave is later shown doing the EXACT SAME JOB the Nemesis was doing, rendering the entire thing pointless.
     
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    Some kind of prioritising system built into it, designed to focus on decoding should this mind ever be awakened, is what I would guess. Perhaps a fail-safe that, if this is Trypticon, it would direct him to simply decode rather than seek brutal revenge?

    But sure, why not, cuz the plot said so :D 
     
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    I want to believe this plot isn't over yet. The script actively calls attention to the fact that what is going on with the Nemesis in "Flying Mind" is STRANGE - it reveals that it has weapons the Decepticons never knew it had, and it answers Ratchet's questions right up until he asks it WHY it's doing what it's doing, at which point it goes silent and hangs up. Potential Aligned continuity snafus aside, Shockwave was responsible for rebuilding Trypticon Station into the living Trypticon in "Exodus", who was then turned into the Nemesis in both "Exiles" and FoC, AND we know from the end of season 2 that four of the relics were key (har har) to reviving Cybertron, and that would be a major objective of Shockwave's, so the idea that he gave it secret weapons and objectives to facilitate this happening rings true. Especially since we know Shockwave is coming back in season 3, I really want to believe that we haven't seen the last of this plot.
     
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    At the rate this show is going, I won't be surprised if it was just a plot contrivance for MOAR RELICS and had absolutely nothing to do with Trypticon.
     
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    I want to believe this is all true.

    Honestly if it was only for the 4T relics hunts they might aswell should have had Bulkhead steal the coordinates for them in Armada while he was on the Nemesis.
     
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    I'd believe it was just for facilitating the relic-hunt four-parter if it wasn't for the secret weapons and its sudden reluctance to talk to Ratchet. These things stand out as unnecessary for the plot of the episode itself. The Decepticons' don't NEED to not know about the weapons for them to serve their role in the episode, and the mystery of its motivation is unnecessary, yet flagged up deliberately. I hope these aren't red herrings or things that will be abandoned.
     
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    To destory us all! Destory us all! Destory us all! Destroy us all! Destory us all! Destroy us all!
     
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    Primus let this be true!
     
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    The ship computer felt it was priority to do what Soundwave had been trying to do (decode the database).

    It did what it had to as it was supposed to before. Megatron speculates that the ship is doing what he wants it to but it's clear that it's not the case. It going ahead with it's priority as a computer system.
     
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    I'd say its motivation was Dark Energon/Unicron. Megatron tried to control the ship through symbiosis by flooding the fuel tanks with Dark Energon--we all saw what happened to Megatron when Unicron did the same to him in the season one finale. The ship, I believe, became a herald of Unicron's. The ship neutralized Cybertronians without bias; as far as it was concerned, all Cybertronians were a threat.

    The Iacon relics were important to both the Autobots and the Decepticons, and as the ship had record of what some of the were on hand--Spark Extractor and the Forge of Solus--it couldn't afford to allow such things to fall in the hands of the people that might use it to stop it or its reawakening master later on down the road.

    Surely, after excavating the relics the ship would have gone to the volcano seen in season one and made preparations to infuse Dark Energon back into Unicron, attempting to Jump Start his Spark.

    I think this is one thing Shockwave had nothing to do with. Some want Soundwave and Shockwave to be better than they're being portrayed--they may in fact be total bad asses with skills and ambissions we never even considered--but for now they are completely loyal to Megatron--Shockwave didn't try to seize Decepticon command during Megatron's three year hiatus, he carried out his wishes: completing the Space Bridge. Why not seize command when it would have been easiest? Why try later on when Megatron was back into the picture if he had been plotting to overthrow him since before Trypticon took flight?
     
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    I still support the "Shockwave did it!" theory, but this makes me think...
     
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    That's cool. But if he did, why? Why would he, a loyal subject of Megatron, make a ship that wouldn't listen to his own master? Why wouldn't he tell his master of the ship's sentience?

    I think what we saw in WFC/FOC should really be looked at from a distance. We knew things didn't line up when season one of Prime aired, and we know that this is true more so now after seeing how FOC played out.

    Transformers Prime, though taking a different take on it, followed G1--the Autobots went to Earth/Found Earth and the Decepticons pursued them. FOC quite clearly shows us that Earth AND the Dinobots was all Shockwave's doing. And Megatron, along with Shockwave, turned Trypticon into the Nemesis. I know the Alex Irvine books don't match up, but noting does really. They are all their own thing, their own stories.

    It's quite possible that Shockwave in Transformers Prime will be just as loyal as G1 Shockwave was, the cartoon, not the comics.
     
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    Shockwave. Because despite his supposed loyalty, it is mentioned in Exodus that
    Shockwave...
    1. Made Trypticon sentient. The Nemesis is Trypticon.
    2. Is merely waiting to betray Megatron.
    It has also been mentioned that Prime Shockwave is only loyal to Cybertron. You know, kind of like Strika and Obsidion.
     
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    What on earth made you think the Alex Irvine books and Prime are the same story? We knew since Darkness Rising that they were two very different stories.
     
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    Yes... But the general idea is that an approximation of the games and novels precede TFP, given the various allusions to them. My personal theory is that Shockwave programmed the Nemesis to decode the database, but was unable to fully purge Trypticon of his memories/ personality. Either that, or novel!Megatron was right in his assumption that Shockwave is only on his side because it seems to be more profitable for him.
     
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    Well, the novel also says that Trypticon station was a Transformer prior to Shockwave making it into a Transformer. So you can't trust any of the novel's origins for Trypticon because Irvine kindly gave us two conflicting ones in a single novel.
    Seriously, Irvine should not be allowed to write for money. Ever.

    People really exaggerate the "allusions" to the novels and games. I mean that in that the allusions to Prime in the games and the allusions to the games in Prime are pretty much non-existant, unlike the allusions to G1 in the games.

    The novels are just terrible excuses for writing and in various ways try to work as a "prequel" to Prime, G1 and the films at the same time and should ultimately be disregarded to any continuity, in my opinion.
     
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    Preceding Transformers Prime in story means nothing. HMS' games, Alex's books and Transformers Prime barely have anything in common with one another. They all borrowed from Cybertron's past, as they all drew from the Transformers bible, but they all put their own spin on how those events happened and how they continue to shape the world moving forward.

    High Moon Studios, who based their games heavily on the cartoon and comics, is more in line with the original concept they drew from than the new spin Alex Irvine put on the reboot--their work preceded Alex's, so it makes since. Matt Tieger and gang crammed as much '84-'86 goodness in their games as humanly possible without making it come across as cheesy as it did way back when, splicing the best of the comics and cartoon's story and merging those ideas with their own.

    Alex Irvine, created a whole new past for Cybertron while drawing from recent books/comics. Especially the 13 Primes and their godly weapons, things that WFC/FOC don't even acknowledge.

    Transformers Prime, while having more in common with the Alex Irvine books, took a very different approach, and features different characters who also have aims not on par with Alex's book. The war didn't exactly go down the same way in these two stories. We still don't know how Optimus and his crew ended up on Earth, but it already feels like the events in Alex's story could have happened.

    Aside from a shared past and a few key names, their is nothing in common between Alex's book and Transformers Prime.
     
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    It's gotten to the point that I don't expect anything to be something more than it already is. But I wasn't a huge fan of "Flying Mind"

    Maybe Trypticon was just pissed at the 'Cons for riding in him for who knows how long and just felt like being difficult.
     
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    Megatron didn't know the ship, no one did. The ship coming to life was right out of left field.
     

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