"We we're once a peaceful race, of intelligent mechanical beings"

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  1. rook

    rook Well-Known Member

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    Not really.

    From what I read of the comic, they were once a bunch of tribes fighting over the allspark...

    Also, they had animalistic features and behaviors, which they still had since coming to Earth.

    One wonders how really far along the evolutionary stage have they come because it seems like they opted out, especially in the case of decepticons.
     
  2. Overlord Balder

    Overlord Balder Voices Slugslinger!

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    Well..

    1 - They are machines, they can change their bodies, if they want to look like the goddamn Predator [Crankcase] they will re-shape themselves to do such, which is what everyone did.

    2 - There was a peaceful time BEFORE The Fallen's betrayal [when the Thirteen ruled the Transformers in peace] and apparently one between the Fallen's betrayal and the start of the War [where Sentinel Prime was the ruler].
     
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    I don't think we can really judge a race of intelligent robots in the same way we can consider organic creatures when it comes to evolution. Animal features are there because they impart a specific competitive benefit for that animal to fill niches. PERHAPS, far fetched as it is, Cybertronians adopt animal shapes because such shapes offer the same advantages as earth animals do. Anatomy directly correlates to how a creature will survive in an environment, and through evolution a species can become adapted to an environment.

    It's probably really damn easy for a Cybertronian to mod themselves to fit whatever environment was on Cybertron. Shapes and anatomy could've also been a tribal thing.
     
  4. RedWolf

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    "For a time, we lived in harmony, but like all great power,
    some wanted it for good, others for evil. And so began the war"

    "Our planet was once a powerful empire,
    peaceful and just, until we were betrayed by Megatron,
    leader of the Decepticons."

    This period was the Autobot equivalent of the Galactic Republic. It all went to hell because someone inside the power structure was corrupted by a very old evil.

    Essentially Megatron was Anakin Skywalker to the Fallen's Papaltine.
     
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    Overlord Balder Voices Slugslinger!

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    Sentinel is Qui-Gon-Jinn went WRONG and Optimus is Obi-Wan, then?
     
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    Yeah really.

    ONCE. They can be both. Once they were peaceful, then they became warring factions.
     
  7. RedWolf

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    More like Count Dooku. That he was a good guy mentor seduced to evil.

    But a more accurate parallel would be Master Asia. Sure he fought for freedom and justice... Until his mind broke with a devastated Cybertron.
     
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    You people are being a bunch of machine racists!
     
  9. nametaken

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    when OP said once, he meant for a minute.

    yeah i dont buy on cybertron crankcase was ever one of the good ol' boys.
     
  10. rook

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    Sentinal was a racists and a ??speciesists?? in the adaptions so I'd say we're square.

    That said, I'd like to refer back to how transformers are created. Hatchings and Allspark creations, both of which come out as monsterous-primitive behaving creatures. Comparing them to adult cybertronians, there doesn't seem to have been much "modifying" if any at all.
     
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    Hatchlings are pretty much like babies, we only find them primtive because they're ugly giant robots.
     
  12. Wheeljack94

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    if we are connecting transformers to star wars, bumblebee is r2 d2, shockwave is boba fett or darth maul. starscream is nute gunray
     
  13. nametaken

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    which way? like hatchlings that need power in ROTF or the automagical ones created from the allspark in tf1?

    remember the allspark? the thing that seemed to create incredibly destructive peaceful robots.
     
  14. Prime_Directive

    Prime_Directive less than meets the eye

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    Nah, Shockwave is Grievous. Easily.

    Heavily advertised as a major villain, having a high position in command of an army, and ended up being only a side villain and defeated rather abruptly.
     
  15. Overlord Balder

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    I really think Shockwave fits more as Darth Maul more than Grievous and Boba Fett.

    Boba Fett:
    - Didn't do shit.
    - Died. Easily.

    Grievous:
    - Badass in the series, stupid in the movie.
    - Appeared in the majority of the movie.
    - Died easily.

    Darth Maul:
    - Appeared in two scenes.
    - Had a badass final fight and died.
    - Didn't say shit.
    - Everyone feared him.

    Now compare:

    Shockwave:
    - Appeared in two scenes.
    - Had a badass final stand on Chicago.
    - Didn't say shit.
    - Everyone feared him.

    None of these had that badass thing as a pet, but Shockwave is much more similar to Darth Maul than both Fett and Grievous.
     
  16. rook

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    Kind of both:
    The hatchlings, when extremely hungry, were basically piranhas.
    Why the was the default setting for allspark creations to give an arsenal to newly created machines?

    If thats not enough of a clue, look at the first actions of Sentinel the moment he was revived. Jump, tackle to ground, draw sword. Not a scream or yawn as if waking from a long sleep....

    Doesn't really come off as peaceful, not inherently anyways. It seems that the cybertronians were actually created to be predators....

    No Optimus and Megatron do not count in this case because their revivals were from death, Sentinel was basically in a coma.

    But it's an unfair observation since we only see "decepticon" hatchlings.
     
  17. Overlord Balder

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    When did that happen? They were jumping for food, but I didn't see anyone jumping in Megatron eating his steel.

    That's pretty much raw AllSpark power, it isn't choosing what's going to do, the mutations will be random, some will acquire weapons [Dispensor, Nokia-Bot], some won't [The car-steering wheel, the XBOX-bot].

    He was stuck into a comma, the movie kind of implied he was having a bad dream [or remembering something bad when he woke up], with his whole "The War, THE WAR!" he said briefly after.

    Maybe, Maybe not, we don't know what's the will of Primus, do we?
     

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