That we can agree on.

 

About time someone stated that.

 

This is true in in our reality that is dominated by humans with human emotions and preconceived notions of what a hero should act like. But in a reality dominated by 40 foot robots with the desire to destroy the Earth and extinguish 6 billion lives, this makes no sense.

BTW, I voted 'no'.

 

In the third film the Autobots will have to hunt down Optimus as he becomes more and more unhinged.

 

I think, if movie-Prime would be severely off-character, Peter would start complaining to Michael for sure...

 

Yes, it does. It's what makes a hero a hero, not just some dude with a gun. Heroes don't kill in cold blood, especially if they're Optimus Prime.

Real world example: Saddam Hussein. When he was found, did the first soldier on the scene blow his head off? No. He was arrested and tried. Fictional example: The Joker. How many times have Batman and the police failed to kill the Joker? They can be 99% certain he's going to kill again, but they still don't kill him because it would be wrong.

 

I tend to ignore the Joker thing, but really killing him would save more lives in the long run.

 

He was just Prime ^^

 

... that's my point.  

 

Prime was a badass! That is all. If you don't like it then go watch that wussy animated Prime, oh wait! Canceled.

 

I thought you said that killing the Joker is wrong. I say that it would be better cause it would save lots of people.

 

Hussein, while a tyrant and generally dispicable human being, had no means nor the opportunity to destroy the entire planet. Maybe in his mind, but not in fact. The Decepticons, however, had both. The only way to ensure the continuation of the human race was to eliminate them when the opportunity presented itself. Human rules of war, codes of ethics, or interpretations of the word 'hero' have no place in an alien war. Especially when our entire race is at stake. Hypothetically, of course.

 

I don't really agree with the whole "They ruined Optimus Prime" crowd, but I do think that the characterizing of Prime in ROTF was kind of bipolar.

For all the justification of killing Demolishor, I still think the scene that played out in the film felt cold hearted.
I get the idea that Demolishor was a evil bastish, and it had to be done. But I'm just saying the writers could have handled it better.
Like someone brought up about the comic book version and how it shows that Prime as regret, but he also knows what has to be done. They could have put that into the film and it would have worked.

There were some heroic moments for Prime in the film, the forest scene of him taking on a group of Decepticons was heroic.
Though the whole energon hooks ripping open Grindout's face was again where they went just a bit too far. I know one could say it's the heat of the battle, but still...He's ripping open someones face with hooks. That's just nasty for the sake of being nasty.

Even with the final battle, we have some good dialog between Prime and the Fallen.

Fallen: "You'll die just like your brothers."

Prime: "They were your brothers too!"

Good stuff. But then we get: "Give me your face!"
Probably the most random line I'll ever hear in a fight scene, ever.

Overall, it really just comes down to the fact that the whole film was flawed through and through.

 

People need to realize this - most of ROTF Prime's detractors (myself included) have absolutely nothing against him killing Decepticons. The Cybertronians are at war, and taking lives is obligatory in war. It is merely the way in which Prime killed the Decepticons that we take issue with.

In the 1986 movie, Prime killed his opponents very dispassionately. He gave them quick, clean deaths - soldier's deaths. Eliminating them was nothing more than a job that had to be done. Same with how he killed Bonecrusher in the 2007 film. In ROTF, however, we have him spouting thuggish lines and fighting with brutality and bloodlust (see his fights with Grindor and the Fallen). I think most of us envision Prime as a guy who would finish his enemies swiftly and painlessly, no matter how despicable they were.

And I'm one of those people who believe Batman was strangling the Joker to death at the end of 'The Killing Joke', simply because he realized that the Joker was beyond redemption.  

 

I don´t think the 1986 Prime killed anyone in the movie...or did he?

 

Well, we had that scene in which he was gunning down all those Cons at Autobot City after transforming and leaping into the air. I like to think that at least one of those Cons died. But... you get the message I'm trying to say, don't you?  

 

Yes. Agreed.
You basically just summed it all up nicely.

 

Man, if I had a dollar every time this was used as a terrible example.

He wasn't "killing himself and letting the Decepticons rule the universe" he was (or was intending to) destroying the energy source that the Decepticons would use to take over the universe, and if it required sacrificing himself to do it, then so be it.

 

Prime is bad ass.

Taking face's is his hobby. And we have to accept that.

 

I think you said it best.