Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Video Reviews' started by BaltMatrix, Mar 26, 2014.
He feels fine. Somewhere between TFC and FP.
The point I'm making is that Bruticus has a design established in the Cartoon where the parts go in a specific spot. But they don't have to go JUST in that spot.
And anyone who has Uranos could tell you the designs would have allowed for any part to make an arm or a leg with a few simple changes - basically the biggest issue is that they needed to get the robot heads out of the way - everything else you'd need was built in already.
Now for Predaking it makes sense for the legs to be legs and the arms to be arm as the toy was invented prior to the "Scramble City" concept.
What I am complaining about is 1 : Ignoring play value in favour of G1 Compliance.
But just note what I said About Ruination - he's like Bruticus but often with the pieces in a different place. so they are going to end up with a repaint (if they wanted to make one) that won't be quite right. - I consider that a small shame to miss out the potential additional selling point - also regardless of what it looks like in the cartoon I often have Swindle as an Arm so I miss not being able to do that also the Helicopter is ugly as sin so if it could form a leg you could at least hide it.
Looking at Air Burst It might be possible to make a shapeways piece to replace the back hinge that allows for rotation of the part you can then tuck the nose under the kibble and hide it better.
Anyway ultimately these things are toys so they need to be fun and have good features - making a minimal effort and charging a maximum price is less likely to gain fans that the opposite way of thinking would in my view.
But my Opinion is coloured by being a toy collector with little or no interest in how thing jell with ancient cartoons.
Which incidentally this also fails at as no one show Swindle as a Jeep and Vortex as a Black Hawk like on the show - they usually make up a newer mode like a Humvee or other Helicopter.
I'd fall off my chair in shock if someone had actually used a Seasprite/Kaman Battle Helicopter for Vortex (The Combiner Helicopter part) as people seem to pretend that never happened - aside from in R.I.D. with Rotor.
I think it's foolish to slightly limit repaint potentiality to just swapping things left to right making a recoloured boxed set and hoping no one notices.. But then heck for all I know the only repaint this might ever get is G2 colours.
Not bad at all. The loose nosecone on the back is bothersome (I have a thing against kibble that just flops around unsecured/untabbed in bot mode) and the wings being Uranos-level fiddly with no real way to lock them into a set position do bug me, but those are minor quibbles compared to how nice the overall design is. The knees and legs are a bit worrisome though; I hope WB managed to fix the plastic tolerance issues there. I actually do like what they did with the rear fins and back part of the shuttle mode turning into missile pod weapons. Blast Off always struck me as being outgunned compared to his Combaticon compatriots but this definitely levels the playing field and makes him feel more like a well armed mercenary/soldier type, which is how a military-themed combiner team should be.
I'm starting to have doubts as to the MP-ness of these guys but as a standalone updated Classics-type figure (in the same vein as Hercules and Uranos), Air Burst is very impressive! I think I may just display WB-01 alongside ToyWorld Hegemon and iGear Starburst rather than my MP collection.
Why does EVERYTHING need to be "scramble city" style. As if designing a figure to look great in 3 modes wasnt already difficult, make the limbs be arms and legs too would be even harder. Look at how great Hasbro's FoC Bruticus turned out being scramble city style. The majority of people buying these watched the show and know the character and arent just buying "toys" but collectibles. I think saying the designers made a minimal effort is direspectful. This isnt some Most likely another mode like robot mode would be worse off because of it. How many 3rd party combiners have had repaints? Hercules and Giant. Everyone is still waiting on those TFC seeker repaints they expected too. LOL
scramble city is so overrated IMO. the last thing I would care about when deciding on getting a combiner
Repaints recoup costs and make more seed money for future projects - failing to take that into consideration damages them - not me.
Oh and I'm a toy collector - you know the toys that preceded the cartoon or the comics - and as such I think it's a perfectly reasonable assertion that future toys should reflect some of the features of those toys - and not only slavishly follow a 30 year old average cartoon based on them as the sole source.
Beside limb swapping was in the cartoon anyway in Scramble City
Your being less than reasonable or your opinion is coloured by the idea that a combiner must only look like it looked in a 30 year old cartoon - and in the process ignoring any art, instructions, comics or reissues that dispute that visual appearance.
No one is suggesting that Devastator or Predaking or Monstructor is swappable - but to use a bleeding obvious example the "Scramble City" / Special team function is intrinsic to the function and combat ability of the Seacons for example - they have to be able to swap too do the basic Targetmaster function otherwise Pirahanacon would have only one option of weapon attack instead of 5.
If anyone thinks I'm being tetchy now - you just wait and see how irked I get if someone tries to release modern Seacons without the ability for each smaller team member to form any limb and a weapon mode.
And as for suggesting that it's hard to do - nonsense The Uranos Combiner was most of the way there it was only small tweaks that were need to implement the swap function.
Frankly I despair at the way some people conduct their fandom in such a way that everything has to endlessly revolve around a 30 year old cartoon of no better than modest quality. and put their fingers in their ears when someone suggests something like - hey what about the rest of that 30 year period or other source materials.
There seems sometimes a willful disregard for anything that isn't cartoon complaint - but I know I'm not the only one who disagrees with that mindset being the only mindset - otherwise why would so many people be lamenting the lack of a black head on Scoria's initial release ?
I've always said (and still do) that having ALL of the limb-bots able to be Piranacon's gun is a negative---most of them look awful in gun mode, and makes them all quad-changers. Triple-changers are hard enough and usually have one "lame" mode as a consequence---making quad-changers is even worse. But if Overbite is just a gun, and not a gun and an arm and a leg---it would certainly lead to a better appearance in all modes.
Or maybe, just have a couple options WHEN IT WORKS WELL---maybe Seawing can be an arm or a gun, Overbite arm or gun, Nautilator arm or leg, Skalor leg or gun, etc-----don't force everybody to be everything, just "do what can be done well, without heavily compromising the other 'primary' location they usuaully become"-----that'd still allow "mixing things up" without "ruining mode X in most-common configuration Y, just for the sake of the 1.2% of people who may desire a particular odd-ball configuration" (there are definitely "common, less common, and rare" ways to configure Piranacon)
anyone else feels that the body of the shuttle mode is too bulky?
For all the scamble city talk, I have yet to find a single picture of G1 Bruticus with the arms swapped with the legs, I know he can do it, I owned him, but who cares? He only ever transformed one way afaik. Now if a Ruination repaint is planned, he'll need a retool anyway, so hopefully they'll put together a new set of feet, new chest plate, etc to help make Brawl a Limb and Blastoff a leg. Im not a fan of straight repaints anyway,so new tooling would be awesome.
unclippable back kibble aside, I honestly feel it's an impressive attempt at a Blast-Off toy.
(I still feel TFC at least, the gestalt designer is behind this somehow. there's just too many design style similarities to justify it being anything else)
That alone is pretty much why I am skipping this whole set. not to mention the size. and the fact these guys would have nowhere to fit in my collection.
Still, all that aside it looks like a decent Blast-Off Toy.
So, I know it got asked before but it seems to have been lost in the noise: are any of the reviewers willing to take some pics next to a Seeker, in bot Bot and Alt modes? Please and thank you!
Thanks for the G1 comparison. Would love to see a 3-way color-comparison between Air Burst, G1 Swindle, and WB not-Swindle, when it's time.
Should have mine next week.
The more I see this guy, the more I love my G1 combaticons. It's weird I know.
After watching the reviews, I'm not too in a hurry to complete this combiner.
The reviews sold me..ordered this with Leo from BBTS.
Hey guys. Awesome reviews, thanks for sharing. I have a question:
Is it possible to have arm mode look as cleanly as in this pic?
This is what arm mode looks like from Peaugh's review.
Warbotron WB01-A Air Burst - Vangelus Review 228-A - YouTube
Think this is pretty much what you want?
The elbow could actually be spun inwards and the forearm made flush looking back at the pic so yeah....I think it's possible.
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